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To: Hacksaw
Goofy?

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the problem is with Libertarian ideology on this board.

Pro 2A.

Anti-Big Government.

Anti-crappy lawsuites.

Pro Free-market.

Anti-Taxes.

No welfare. No HillaryCare. No SS ponzi schemes. Voluntary contractual agreements where you don't have to hire people via qoutas. No free loaders. Pro-Self Defense. Pro-Property Rights.

What the hell? Why are so many people on FR so dead set against it all? Because the libertarians DON'T want to legislate morality? Despite the crappy historical track record other nations of have with that. Because libertarians don't care if YOU screw up YOUR life? Despite the fact that even with all the laws on the books, people are STILL screwing up their lives... it's just that now EVERYONE has to pay for it.

Bla, bla, bla.... you so-called "conservatives" keep throwing the same old garbage around. You keep dodging the fact that you love your Big Government just as much as the liberals do, as LONG AS it's your guy in charge and they are expanding government in the areas YOU like. It never seems to dawn on you that "Bigger Government" has NEVER been the answer, so you just piss down the neck of anyone trying to roll it back.

Bunch a freakin' cowards is what you are.

30 posted on 04/28/2003 8:13:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse
". . .as LONG AS it's your guy in charge and they are expanding government in the areas YOU like."

The head of the hammer just met the head of the nail. The GOP is more about GOP control that it is about what were GOP principles. Look at all those who will still vote for W even if (as promised) he signs the clinton-feinstein-schumer AWB. They'd rather be screwed by their own man than fight him AND the dems on principle.

Just as a girl who doesn't say 'no' to her (less than) gentlemen friends, continually gets used, so do these GOP bots who won't stand up to the party. Until the rank and file stand firmly for principle, they will continue to get used (hard and put away wet).

37 posted on 04/28/2003 8:38:26 AM PDT by Badray (They all seem normal until you get to know them.)
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To: Dead Corpse
? Why are so many people on FR so dead set against it all?

Libertarian principles are great. The idea of a Libertarian party is great.

The problem is that the Libertarian party usually ends up running whackjob candidates that can spend four hours praising drug abuse and kinky sex and 30 seconds talking about gun and property rights, to illustrate by hyperbole.

By the time they are done talking they make it sound like the Libertarian party wants federally funded drugs and hookers for every family.

Now I know that isn't what libertarianism is about, but after a while you get tired of defending people against their own words.

47 posted on 04/28/2003 9:12:20 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Dead Corpse
I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the problem is with Libertarian ideology on this board.

Was a time, half of the political ideology espoused on this board was libertarian(as I recall).

The problem *now* is that the Republican Party doesn't feel like it can walk the libertarian walk for fear of losing votes, not to mention damaging the vested interests of many big donors. So the Republican talking points coming out via every pubbie outlet are slandering the name "libertarian" so that the party faithful won't think about it, pressure the Party to live up to it, or stray from the fold.

And the artificial buzz buzzes loud here on FR.

70 posted on 04/28/2003 2:15:43 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: Dead Corpse
Bunch a freakin' cowards is what you are.

Indeed. Lacking self discipline to control themselves, they have a fear of freedom which results in a reliability upon an external force (such as our nanny state) to keep themselves and their children in order. IOW's, freedom, true freedom, scares the crap out of them...yes, they are cowards.

92 posted on 04/28/2003 11:15:20 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: Dead Corpse
Pro 2A.

Anti-Big Government.

Anti-crappy lawsuits.

Pro Free-market.

Anti-Taxes.

No welfare. No HillaryCare. No SS ponzi schemes. Voluntary contractual agreements where you don't have to hire people via qoutas. No free loaders. Pro-Self Defense. Pro-Property Rights.

But we're also against bedroom police and sending pot smokers to the state pen. This negates all of our other positions.

109 posted on 04/29/2003 6:54:02 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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