Posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:36 AM PDT by Dada Orwell
Morning, FReepers! I have some news I thought might interest you:
Free State Project Member Services Director Tim Condon was apparently arrested Sunday for handing out FSP literature at an NRA convention in Orlando. This according to FSP president Jason Sorens.
Many Free Staters and gun rights advocates were already angry at the NRA for leaning too far left on certain gun control issues. Yesterday's arrest seems to be focusing new attention on the NRA's perceived shortcomings.
Details are on the FSP forum at: http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=1647;start=0#lastPost
Dada Liberty in Our Lifetime freestateproject.org
Take a good look at what you just typed. Those words show just what a lifetime of brainwashing can do. You have evidently forgotten about local government, from cities and counties to the state level.
I've signed up for the FSP because I truly believe it's a last-gasp effort to avoid armed rebellion, but I'm not so starry-eyed as to believe it'll work. I hope it does, because the alternative is too terrible to even contemplate. But no one in the FSP has any intention of changing the makeup of congress by altering the voting pattern of a single state. What we do think we could do though is change the way one particular state does business. If we were successful in that, perhaps the neighboring states would see the improvement and copy some of the new ways. If enough states follow the lead... Well, maybe we could change congress-- eventually.
This is from the Georgia gun group's website:
Meanwhile, the NRA is still on the sidelines. They're scared anti-gunners will claim they're against children. The NRA lobbyist told the House Judiciary Committee the NRA is neither for the bill nor against it. Of course anti-gunners are saying "the NRA is not opposed to HB197" which is only half the truth.
I would suggest you quit lying about the NRA and pay more attention to the workings of your own group.
What are they afraid of? A bunch of liberal whining scumbags? Has the NRA lost all of its balls now?
Libertarian principles are great. The idea of a Libertarian party is great.
The problem is that the Libertarian party usually ends up running whackjob candidates that can spend four hours praising drug abuse and kinky sex and 30 seconds talking about gun and property rights, to illustrate by hyperbole.
By the time they are done talking they make it sound like the Libertarian party wants federally funded drugs and hookers for every family.
Now I know that isn't what libertarianism is about, but after a while you get tired of defending people against their own words.
The ILA said they had no knowledge of the bill on the several times I called to ask the NRA's position during this process.
I have a friend who is a legislator in the GA House. From his comments, the NRA lobby has helped actively oppose amendments that would exempt firearms from this bill.
I guess I have a quandry - who to believe. A legislator on the floor or the position you represent?
I once shared your opinion that they were nautral. But why are they nautral? Why not help craft better legislation that will protect gun owners?
First, as "oldfart" wrote above, there are a LOT of freedoms we used to have which have been taken by local and state governments. See again my link above to Changing State Government from the Bottom Up . As a city councilman, I know the list of local and state infringements is so long compared to two hundred years ago or even fifty years ago that I'd exceed the post length limit here. If you ever tried construction or home repair or starting even the smallest business you would know what I mean -- and that's just a start of all the permits, fees, regulations, licenses, etc. imposed by state and local governments. Fireworks, lawns, old cars, animals, and clotheslines are just the tip of the iceberg of more infringements. Go read a set of city ordinances and state statutes. You will be appalled at what our local and state governments have done to us. And then there are school boards and what the schools are doing to our kids. Those are controlled from the local and state levels too. But those local and state infringements can be changed from the bottom up!
What can two US Senators do? They can filibuster all year if they have to against gun control bills and other infringements of our Bill of Rights. What can one US Representative do? She or he can keep us informed about what Congress is up to. Information, especially inside information, is invaluable to any effort to prevent further infringements of our rights.
Otherwise, generally from a federal standpoint, we are outnumbered. BUT, again the states and local county governments, especially in the West, can make and have made federal infringements of the Bill of Rights quite difficult. When the JBT's come to call, wouldn't you rather have the sheriff and his or her deputies and the state troopers on your side standing between you and the feds? And they, in turn, backed up by a majority of the state's voters who insist on the original Constitutional interpretations of STATES' RIGHTS!
One of the things we are seeing today is States misusing power they have GIVEN themselves, or tried to hold over from pre-Federal Constitution days. Stretching one area of vested authority to a point where they can trample on just about any of our Rights they so choose. An example would be prosecutions that have been upheld under the Commerce Clause and General Welfare clauses.
It's all BS. Our Core Rights, see the BOR, cannot be legislated against at the Federal, nor at the State level. The writing of the Founders bear this contention out, even if jurisprudence and government expansionism over the last 70 years doesn't.
Who's dat? ;) His bloviation is being conducted elsewhere, apparently.
This is pretty low, CJ.
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