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Military Officials Debating Potential Return Dates for USS Theodore Roosevelt
wavy dot com ^ | 4-27-03 | staff

Posted on 04/27/2003 2:02:41 PM PDT by doug from upland

A decision could soon be on the way for thousands of sailors in the USS Theodore Roosevelt Battle Group.

Their return boils down to one question being debated at the highest levels of the military. The answer could mean an early homecoming...or four additional months at sea.

WAVY News 10's Military Reporter Patty Culhane has learned there are two dates being debated right now. One brings the Theodore Roosevelt home in early June, which would be the news family members having been hoping to hear.

The other - what the crew has been considering the "worst case" scenario - calls for the carrier to come back in October.

What's delaying a final decision is the question of how many carriers are still needed near Iraq. If General Tommy Franks says one, then the USS Theodore Roosevelt Battle Group can come home in June. If General Franks says two, then the Theodore Roosevelt will stay until October.

Navy sources tell WAVY News 10 the issue is being debated right now, and an answer could come in the next few days.

The USS Harry S. Truman Battle Group has already been cleared to come back to Hampton Roads, and some Theodore Roosevelt families say that's not fair.

Admiral Robert J. Natter, Commander of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet, has issued an explanation on the Atlantic Fleet website.

Among the reason cited include:

- The Truman Battle Group deployed on 5 December 2002 - 32 days prior to the Roosevelt battle group, which left for deployment on 6 January 2003.

- Returning to Norfolk before the end of May, Truman Battle Group's deployment length will fall a few a few days short of 6 months.

- USS Harry S Truman is scheduled for a maintenance period (a restricted repair availability) shortly after her return. Subsequently, the ship will begin preparing for its next deployment in 2004. The USS Theodore Roosevelt will also receive a maintenance availability, but it is scheduled to commence early next year.

- The Theodore Roosevelt's next scheduled deployment is well after Harry S. Truman's next deployment.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 24thmef; 24thmeu; battlegroup; briscoe; camplejeune; cvn71; cvn75; hamptonroads; iraq; mountwhitney; norfolk; roosevelt; shipmovement; strikegroup; ussharrytruman; ussroosevelt; usstheodoreroosevelt; virginiabeach; war
My daughter votes for June and has asked for DNC advice about how to stuff the ballot box.
1 posted on 04/27/2003 2:02:41 PM PDT by doug from upland
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Can illegal aliens vote on this one?
2 posted on 04/27/2003 2:15:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (- to Bill -"You are not fit to be commander in chief" -- father of Sgt. Shughart who died in Somalia)
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A boxing match or poker game to decide sounds like the only solution to this problem.
3 posted on 04/27/2003 2:24:29 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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What is not mentioned among the reasoning, and it should be, is the 'deployment' that is spoken of in Jan for the TR was not scheduled till MAY (well actually December, but it got moved up to May) Add to that the fact that the Roosevelt familes watched their loved ones leave for what should have been a two week routine underway for predeployment checks. It wasn't until toward the end of the 'underway' that it was officially made a 'Med cruise'. My friend's husband is on the TR, and let me tell you folks, the past yr for her family has been a mess.
4 posted on 04/27/2003 2:41:12 PM PDT by Severa (Wife of Freeper Hostel, USN Active Duty Submariner)
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To: Severa
BTW, Nothing I've said is anything that hasn't been reported on the network news (I live in VA Beach about 30 min from where both the TR and my husband's boat are stationed)
5 posted on 04/27/2003 2:42:19 PM PDT by Severa (Wife of Freeper Hostel, USN Active Duty Submariner)
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My son in law is aboard. When he took off from Oak Harbor, Washington in early January, I knew (even though not said officially) that they would be heading to the Med.
6 posted on 04/27/2003 2:52:23 PM PDT by doug from upland (- to Bill -"You are not fit to be commander in chief" -- father of Sgt. Shughart who died in Somalia)
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Point blank, if they stay til October, that will be almost a year. It's already been a long time. Being a fiance of a sailor aboard the Roosevelt, it's hard. They all have families they're anxious to see. As someone else mentioned, the scheduled deployment wasn't even until May. The length of their stay was kind of ifsy, but I wasn't expecting it to be as close as a year! I really think they should be sent home in June. That's a lil closer to 6 months than October is. The head men of this decision really need to think hard about this. There are a lot of torn family members hurting enough. I'm scared for him & all the others. That's my opinion and a firm one at that.
7 posted on 04/27/2003 3:47:11 PM PDT by Torres_Girl (In reference to the Debate of Return Dates for the Roosevelt)
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To: doug from upland

Carrier Roosevelt expected to return in early June
By JACK DORSEY, The Virginian-Pilot
© April 28, 2003
Last updated: 6:30 PM

The Roosevelt

TalkNet: Roosevelt message board / Ship profile
Background: Truman will make it home first
NORFOLK -- The Norfolk-based carrier Theodore Roosevelt is expected home the first week in June, following closely in the wake of its sister ship the Harry S. Truman.

Although an official Navy announcement has not been made, families and crew members were told of homecoming plans over the weekend. That ended a week of uncertainty during which families were concerned that the Roosevelt would have to remain at sea into the summer and possible even the fall.

The early-June return would have the Roosevelt and its crew of 5,000 home after a five-month deployment that began on Jan. 6. However, some of the carrier's 11-ship battle group may not be returning until later.

The 12-ship Truman battle group, also based in Norfolk, is expected back just before Memorial Day weekend -- two weeks ahead of the Roosevelt.

The good news for Roosevelt crew and family members was being tempered with word that not all of its accompanying ships would steam home together. Navy officials warned families that some of the battle group's surface ships and submarines, particularly those capable of firing Tomahawk cruise missiles, might stay deployed until July.

Those ships are needed to maintain a Tomahawk presence in case they are again needed for Operation Iraqi Freedom, said one official who spoke only on condition of anonymity.

``There are a lot of proposals out there, concerning which ships go where and we don't want to give up future operations,'' he said.

Reach Jack Dorsey at jdorsey@pilotonline.com or 446-2284.



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8 posted on 04/28/2003 3:50:58 PM PDT by Ligeia
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Whoopppeee. My daughter will be ecstatic. Thanks for the heads up.
9 posted on 04/28/2003 4:19:02 PM PDT by doug from upland (- to Bill -"You are not fit to be commander in chief" -- father of Sgt. Shughart who died in Somalia)
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I know homecoming can't come soon enough. Please pass along our fond regards.
10 posted on 04/28/2003 4:31:08 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: Ligeia
Thank you for posting this. I haven't heard anything about it. But on the other hand, my fiance has refused to tell me anything to get my hopes up. So he's been kind of mellow about it. But I thank you for that. I'm so ecstatic right now & I don't even think that's the word I wanna use! I'm gonna go call my mother-in-law with the wonderful news! I prayed about this all last night. So I can't thank you a million times!
Nikki
11 posted on 04/28/2003 7:44:23 PM PDT by Torres_Girl (In reference to the Debate of Return Dates for the Roosevelt)
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Truman, Roosevelt homecoming dates announced
By JACK DORSEY AND MATT DOLAN, The Virginian-Pilot
© May 8, 2003
Last updated: 6:07 PM

The carrier Theodore Roosevelt will return sooner than previously estimated, on May 29.

Homecoming Guide: News, advice, calendar, more
Led by the aircraft carriers Harry S. Truman and Theodore Roosevelt, one of the largest Navy homecomings in Hampton Roads history is officially set for later this month.

Navy officials announced today that two aircraft carriers, their air wings, some of their accompanying surface ships and an amphibious ready group will return to their Norfolk and Virginia Beach ports between May 22 and May 29.

In all, an estimated 15 ships and more than 16,000 sailors are expected home during that week.

The air wing of the Truman battle group will be the first back, returning on May 22. The 10 ships in the battle group follow on May 23.

The Roosevelt air wing returns on May 28, followed by the carrier and just one ship in its battle group -- the cruiser Cape St. George -- on May 29.

Also on May 29, a three-ship group led by the amphibious assault ship Nassau is expected to return.

``Awesome!'' said Sylvia Carbonell, capturing the feeling of many spouses relieved to hear that the Roosevelt and the Cape St. George finally have a return date.

``It's been flip-flopping so often I didn't know what to think,'' said Carbonell, 39, whose husband serves as a gas turbine engine electrician on the Cape St. George.

Not since the return of four carrier battle groups following the Persian Gulf war in 1991 have so many ships been scheduled to come home at one time. Even then, the homecomings were spread out over a month between March and April 1991. Between April 15-20 of that year, 13 amphibious ships, the carrier America and some of its escorts returned.

The war in Iraq drew about 30,000 personnel from Hampton Roads military units, including Army, Air Force and Coast Guard. The weeklong homecoming later this month will be the first large-scale return of troops. Several ships and groups of personnel have come back in recent weeks, but nothing approaching this scale.

The Truman battle group has about 8,100 sailors, Marines and pilots. The Roosevelt, its air wing and the Cape St. George crew total almost 6,300 personnel. The Nassau group has about 1,800 personnel.

The other seven ships in the Roosevelt group, with about 2,300 aboard, are being delayed in their return. They are expected home in July, completing about a six-month deployment, the Navy said. Their presence in the Mediterranean Sea is still needed for any unexpected contingency as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom, officials said.

Additional information on the return date of these ships will be provided when their schedules are determined and approved, the Navy said.


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12 posted on 05/08/2003 3:19:13 PM PDT by Ligeia (Those who beat their swords into ploughshares will work for those who don't)
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Mount Whitney to return June 13, Navy officials say
The Virginian-Pilot
© May 11, 2003
Last updated: 5:21 PM

The Mount Whitney is expected to return from a seven-month deployment June 13, Navy officials announced Saturday.

The Norfolk-based amphibious command ship rarely deploys overseas, but it left Nov. 12 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and the ongoing war on terrorism.

The Mount Whitney and its crew of about 560 has spent most of the deployment off the Horn of Africa, serving as the flagship for Joint Task Force operations in the region. The task force is made up of approximately 1,300 Marines -- 400 onboard Mount Whitney and another 900 at Camp Lemonier in Djibouti, a small east African country in the Horn of Africa region.

The Mount Whitney is commanded by Capt. David Prothero.


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13 posted on 05/14/2003 5:31:46 PM PDT by Ligeia
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Destroyer Briscoe's final deployment a vivid one
By JACK DORSEY, The Virginian-Pilot
© May 10, 2003
Last updated: 5:35 PM

The destroyer Briscoe. File photo.

CORRECTION: A photograph of the Norfolk-based amphibious command ship Mount Whitney was incorrectly identified as the destroyer Briscoe on the cover of Saturday's paper and on Pilot Online.

Homecomings Guide: News, message board, travel help

For a ship headed into retirement, the destroyer Briscoe's deployment swan song was anything but quiet.

``We've had one heck of a deployment, just fantastic from start to finish,'' Cmdr. Scott Sundt, the Briscoe's captain, said from Rota, Spain, as he pointed the 25-year-old ship's bow west toward the Atlantic for its final trip home. ``We have done just about everything a ship could be asked to do. . . . It's easier to list what we didn't do.''

During the past five months at sea, the Briscoe and its crew of 370 fired Tomahawk missiles, performed missions off the Horn of Africa and bounced back and forth between the Mediterranean and Red seas.

The Briscoe, part of the carrier Truman battle group, left Norfolk Dec. 5 in advance of the war in Iraq. Along with most of the 10 other ships in the group, it is due home May 23.

``As soon as we got over here, we started doing escorts through the Strait of Gibraltar,'' Sundt said.

Gibraltar is one of several narrow choke points for warships to pass, where they are more vulnerable to attacks than on the open seas.

``Then we got orders right after Christmas to beat feet and get ourselves through the Suez Canal,'' he said. ``We did that on Jan. 5 and headed straight to the Gulf of Aden and the Horn of Africa.''

They joined a multinational task force commanded by an Italian admiral and patrolled the strait of Bab al Mandab, another choke point for shipping at the southern end of the Red Sea. There they monitored the flow of coalition forces headed to the Persian Gulf, including the seven-ship Amphibious Task Force East from Norfolk that carried more than 5,000 Hampton Roads-based sailors and 7,000 North Carolina-based Marines to the war front.

Working with the command ship Mount Whitney off the Horn of Africa, the Briscoe provided naval gunfire support off the African republic of Djibouti to help train 20 gunnery spotters from five countries.

``In eight hours we shot over 300 rounds into the range and did 32 firing missions,'' Sundt said. ``That was really impressive. I've never seen anything like that in the 28 years I've been in the Navy, and I'm a gunnery type of guy.''

Next the ship was ordered to head back into the northern Red Sea, where it joined eight other ships for the beginning of the war in mid-March.

``We launched 25 Tomahawks over the space of several days,'' he said.

Then the Briscoe was ordered back into the Suez Canal to escort other ships.

Back into the Med, the Briscoe picked up guard duty near Egypt's Port Said, helping out minesweeping ships in the area. Then it was off toward Syria, after the Briscoe received ``some information about some bad guys we thought might be trying to get out.''

The Briscoe was resupplied by ships from Germany, France, Spain, Italy and the United States.

Through all its activity, the ship's crew never suffered a significant casualty.

The Briscoe's crew includes 55 women and and some sailors who are not yet U.S. citizens, Sundt said. They come from Morocco, India, the Philippines and the Caribbean.

``What keeps getting to me is how young everyone is,'' Sundt said. ``My warfighters are 19 and 20 years old. They are not hardened, salty old sailors. These are people who have been in the Navy just one or two years, and here they are sitting in front of consoles, launching Tomahawks.''

Lt. Charles Rogers, 31, the ship's operations officer, said he also was impressed with the crew.

``I was very, very amazed how knowledgeable these kids are at such young ages,'' he said. ``In some cases they are cocky. But they get the job done.''

There is more to firing a Tomahawk than just ``ready, aim, fire,'' Rogers said. Hours of preparation are required to prevent the missiles from hitting one another, or flying over a friendly ship.

On March 21, when 400 of the 800 Tomahawks used in the war were launched, the sky was filled with bright orange flames reflecting off the various ships' decks. Rogers, a transplant from Texas who now calls Norfolk home, is married and the father of two, with a third child expected by August.

``Leading up to the point where the first missile left the rail, the crew was excited,'' Rogers said. ``But when it left the rail, it was a very silencing thing. The gravity of what that missile was on its way to do was kind of humbling.''

Petty Officer 2nd Class Christina Taylor, a boatswain's mate from Chesapeake, watched that night, too. She described the missile firings as somber, with everyone in a ``team mode'' to ``take care of business.''

``I feel good about what we did, because we did our job and did it extremely well,'' said Taylor, who is the mother of a 4-year-old son named Jerit. ``But it is time to go home.''

Reach Jack Dorsey at jdorsey@pilotonline.com or 446-2284.



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14 posted on 05/15/2003 5:00:23 PM PDT by Ligeia
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Navy ships Carr, Arctic coming home with Roosevelt
The Virginian-Pilot
© May 17, 2003
Last updated: 7:30 PM

NORFOLK -- Two additional ships will join the Theodore Roosevelt when the Norfolk-based aircraft carrier returns home at the end of the month.

The Navy announced late Friday that the guided missile frigate Carr and the fast-combat support ship Arctic will accompany the TR when it pulls into Norfolk Naval Station on May 29.

Originally, sources said only the cruiser Cape St. George would escort the Roosevelt.

Not all of the elements of the TR's group will return at once.

Other ships include the guided missile cruiser Anzio, the destroyer Stump and the guided missile destroyers Arleigh Burke, Winston Churchill and Porter.

No return date for those ships has been announced.

But on May 29, 5,700 returning sailors of the TR group will be joined in their homecoming by more than 4,000 sailors and Marines attached with Nassau Amphibious Ready Group.

The ships include the Norfolk-based amphibious assault ship Nassau; the amphibious transport dock ship Austin; and the amphibious dock landing ship Tortuga, based at Little Creek Naval Amphibious Base in Virginia Beach.

Accompanying the Nassau is the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, headquartered at Camp Lejeune, N.C.


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15 posted on 05/17/2003 6:39:28 AM PDT by Ligeia
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Navy ships Carr, Arctic coming home with Roosevelt
The Virginian-Pilot
© May 17, 2003
Last updated: 7:30 PM

NORFOLK -- Two additional ships will join the Theodore Roosevelt when the Norfolk-based aircraft carrier returns home at the end of the month.

The Navy announced late Friday that the guided missile frigate Carr and the fast-combat support ship Arctic will accompany the TR when it pulls into Norfolk Naval Station on May 29.

Originally, sources said only the cruiser Cape St. George would escort the Roosevelt.

Not all of the elements of the TR's group will return at once.

Other ships include the guided missile cruiser Anzio, the destroyer Stump and the guided missile destroyers Arleigh Burke, Winston Churchill and Porter.

No return date for those ships has been announced.

But on May 29, 5,700 returning sailors of the TR group will be joined in their homecoming by more than 4,000 sailors and Marines attached with Nassau Amphibious Ready Group.

The ships include the Norfolk-based amphibious assault ship Nassau; the amphibious transport dock ship Austin; and the amphibious dock landing ship Tortuga, based at Little Creek Naval Amphibious Base in Virginia Beach.

Accompanying the Nassau is the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, headquartered at Camp Lejeune, N.C.


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16 posted on 05/18/2003 7:40:31 PM PDT by Ligeia
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