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Aziz admits Saddam may be dead
Scotland on Sunday ^ | April 27, 2003 | TOM CURTIS

Posted on 04/26/2003 6:10:13 PM PDT by MadIvan

FORMER Iraqi prime minister Tariq Aziz has told American intelligence officials that he has not seen Saddam Hussein since the first night of the war, it was claimed last night.

Aziz, who surrendered to US forces last week, has fuelled speculation that the Iraqi dictator was killed or seriously injured when the bunker in which he was hiding with his sons has hit by cruise missiles.

According to US intelligence sources, the 67-year-old has said he does not know whether Saddam is alive or dead.

However, he has told his captors he presumes the former Iraqi leader was incapacitated as he played no role in coordinating the defence of Baghdad.

The director of the CIA, George Tenet, has reportedly been saying he believes Saddam is dead after being briefed on Aziz’s testimony.

Meanwhile, it was also reported last night that secret Iraqi intelligence documents uncovered in Baghdad show a direct link between Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda terrorist network and Saddam’s regime.

The documents, discovered by a Sunday Telegraph journalist in the headquarters of the Mukhabarat, the Iraqi intelligence service, are said to reveal that an al-Qaeda envoy was invited to a clandestine meeting in Baghdad in March 1998.

According to the newspaper, the documents show the purpose of the meeting was to establish a relationship between Baghdad and al-Qaeda based on their mutual hatred of the United States and Saudi Arabia.

The meeting, which is said to have lasted for more than a week, is supposed to have ended with arrangements being made for a visit to Iraq by bin Laden.

Yesterday, at least a dozen people were feared dead after an ammunition dump near Baghdad exploded, showering homes up to two miles away with warheads, rockets and mortars.

The blasts at the open air store are believed to have injured at least 10 other people. Last night the US army said the explosions had been triggered by "hostile forces", which it accused of firing flares into the depot.

Six of the dead were understood to be from a single family whose street, a mile from the dump, was hit by a missile, although it was unclear if they were the only fatalities. The missile ploughed into the lane between two rows of homes, demolishing four of them.

Inside one of the houses, the impact killed a 50-year-old worker, his four teenage children and his 23-year-old daughter-in-law, a new mother.

Mohammed Khazaal, 15, the brother of the dead young woman, had been sleeping when the missile hit his home.

"Our house collapsed. That’s all I remember," he said from a hospital bed. Nearby, medical workers treated deep cuts in the legs of Zeineb Thamer, the one-year-old daughter of the woman who died.

Hundreds of enraged, screaming Iraqis blamed US-led occupying forces for the incident, criticising them for storing ammunition near homes.

Bloodstained resident Munthir Safir said: "Is this the safety that Bush promised us?" Around him, wailing women collapsed over the coffins of the dead. One man, waving his fist, shouted: "No Saddam! No Bush! Yes to Islam!"

As well as protests in the Zaafaraniyah suburb, which bore the brunt of the explosions, there were also demonstrations in the city centre.

Hours later, smoke was still pouring from a blackened crater left at the missile cache, as explosives boomed, a rocket whistled and rounds popped.

In Doha, Qatar, US Central Command spokesman Lieutenant Mark Kitchens blamed "the despicable people" who fired the flares. "This is not just an attempt to disrupt the process of peace. It’s a crime against the Iraqi people," he said.

The dump was sabotaged just before 8am local time as people living nearby slept or prepared breakfast. Sergeant Ronald King, a witness, said someone who was out of sight of US troops at the depot fired four flares over a wall around an open field that the forces had been using to store the ordnance.

Americans said some tactical weapons had been stored there by Saddam’s regime, which has previously been found to have hidden such items in schools and homes.

But the US military had also put some of the ordnance there itself, collecting abandoned Iraqi caches from around the city for later disposal, King said. Colonel John Peabody, commanding officer of the US Army’s 11th Engineering Brigade, which had been helping to handle the site, said the cache included Russian-made Frog-7 missiles and Iraq’s own Al Samoud II - 80 missiles in all.

The flares hit an ammunition pit, setting fire to wooden ammunition crates, King said.

Initial reports indicated up to 40 people had died, and the main hospital in southern Baghdad said there were 12 fatalities. The US said six people appeared to have died and 10 or more Iraqis sustained injuries. Residents said two would undoubtedly die.

Peabody said US forces initially came under small-arms fire when they went to the scene, and returned fire.

He would not speculate on exactly who fired the flares. "Somebody who does not want us to be here," he said, adding: "We are very sorry that the practice of Saddam Hussein putting his missiles throughout Baghdad has resulted in this."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aziz; blair; bush; cache; casualties; decapitation; explosives; flares; iraq; iraqifreedom; missiles; sabotage; saddam; smallarmsfire; uk; us; victory
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
That is the "Mother of all Liars" in that picture who is speaking. Sorry, but it is dressed just like a man to fool you. Underneath, this is a woman!
21 posted on 04/26/2003 7:42:58 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Common Tator
"...he will die at the hands of a US firing squad."

With due respect, refer to the last time such an execution by U.S. military or civilian authority was carried out.

I believe the last was Gary Mark Gilmore, who on January 17, 1977 at 0808, was executed by a firing squad in Utah. The thought police (ACLU) have since pretty well muffled that means of execution.

22 posted on 04/26/2003 8:32:33 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
"There are no infidel invaders in the city Baghdad, no invaders. They are committing suicide on the walls of the city."
23 posted on 04/26/2003 8:38:19 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Cameron1
Is this true?

We need somebody to check, as that would be a big story....

Aziz saying he may be dead, yet Iragi tv showing them together, obviously pre-taped. It would put significant doubt into the tapes being legit.
24 posted on 04/26/2003 8:46:06 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (God Reigns!)
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To: azhenfud
Actually, a firing squad was always considered a "death with honor."

True scoundrels were HANGED.

In the old British Navy sailors were hung for grave offenses. On the (exceedingly rare) occasions where officers, and in one case, an Admiral, were executed, they were shot.

Most of the Nuremberg and Japanese war criminals were hanged. One Japanese General (Honda, I think) who some of the prosecutors felt was an honorable man who was railroaded, was shot instead of hung.
25 posted on 04/26/2003 9:00:59 PM PDT by John H K
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To: LPStar
Bush got Saddam the first night of the war.
26 posted on 04/26/2003 9:05:00 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: MadIvan
DEBKAfile has it that he and his sons bugged out to Belarus when it looked like he would be toast if he stayed.

BTW, are you the Soviet appologist that I spared with a year or two ago?

27 posted on 04/26/2003 9:36:52 PM PDT by rightofrush (Not only Rush, but Buchanan as well.)
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To: rightofrush
You think Buchanan is "Right?"

Saddam is no more in Belarus than I.
28 posted on 04/26/2003 10:10:34 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: Common Tator
There won't be a single firing squad with American or Brit troops around. No way, no how. There should be, but there won't be.
29 posted on 04/26/2003 10:18:23 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: Common Tator
Also, he never said he never SPOKE or otherwise communicated with Saddam- directly or indirectly. He only said he had not SEEN him.
30 posted on 04/26/2003 10:19:30 PM PDT by Publicus
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To: ConservativeConvert
We did a pretty hefty job of cutting off Saddam's communications lines from early on.
31 posted on 04/26/2003 10:20:36 PM PDT by Publicus
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To: Squantos
EOD bump.
32 posted on 04/26/2003 10:20:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TLBSHOW; MadIvan; Mitchell
I heard President Bush say the other night on TV
that he believes they got Saddam on the first night.

I suspect President Bush knows as much about the matter as anyone.

33 posted on 04/26/2003 10:21:29 PM PDT by Allan
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
L-O-L!!!! GREAT PHOTO!!!
34 posted on 04/26/2003 10:22:32 PM PDT by Publicus
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To: Allan
There is a great thread I posted almost a day or 2 after that first night of the war and it tells the story!

President Bush did good with that first shot.
35 posted on 04/26/2003 10:23:55 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: TLBSHOW; The Great Satan; Mitchell; okie01; aristeides
I was out of country and out of touch when you posted that thread. I believed the initial reports, but when they came up with a second assassination attempt I concluded that all bets were off.
36 posted on 04/26/2003 10:32:52 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
I will go back and find it. What day was that again? LOL
37 posted on 04/26/2003 10:36:06 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: Fred Mertz
Killing off the doubles, Fred. I'm more concerned about the Iranis slaughtering Iraqis and getting away with inciting the poor Iraqis to blame US! Time to line up every male In Iraq not with the coalition forces (including every media person, including the females) from 12 to 55 and do identity checks. About the time the demon in Tehran is squelched, it will pop up in Iraq. That demon has been deviling Persia for thousands of years (read the Book Of Daniel). I t will not go quietly into the pit.
38 posted on 04/26/2003 10:49:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Fred Mertz
here it is

as one official put it, ‘‘their phones melted.’’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/870730/posts?page=
39 posted on 04/26/2003 10:53:33 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: LPStar
Amen! When was the last time any of these guys told the truth. Example: The Minister of Disinformation.
40 posted on 04/26/2003 11:16:29 PM PDT by DennisR
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