Posted on 04/24/2003 1:45:26 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
Scott Lively, author of "The Pink Swastika" (a book which exposes the homosexual connection to the Nazi's) writes the following in his latest newsletter:
“A sudden opportunity has arisen to tour Berlin with the man who led Nazi Deputy Fuehrer Rudolph Hess to the Lord. Lt. Colonel Eugene Bird was Commandant of Spandau Prison from 1964 to 1972 (where Hess was held) and co-authored a book with him. He has recently read 'The Pink Swastika' and praises it highly. He has volunteered to take me on a tour of Nazi sites in Berlin and provide me with the benefits of his extensive personal knowledge of the city and its Nazi secrets, including museum exhibits that would have special meaning to 'Pink Swastika' readers. I will gather a wealth of photos for the next edition and video footage of myself interviewing Col. Bird.
I am also in negotiations with a translator to produce a German version of the book and will have the chance to meet him there. There is substantial interest in 'The Pink Swastika' in Germany.”
Hitler’s Clique of Pederasts
As we will see, almost all of the new leadership of the party were sexual deviants. But this fact raises a question that is foundational to our understanding of the Nazis.
Who chose these men as Nazi leaders? Roehm, with whose lifestyle we are now quite familiar, was to some historians the true power behind Hitler’s throne. As noted above it was primarily Roehm who organized, funded and armed the terrorist military arm of the party, choosing only homosexuals as officers. And it is true that the party met frequently in the Bratwurstgloeckl (Fest, 1975:135f), a homosexual bar where Roehm kept a reserved table.
Yet, despite Roehm’s importance to the party, Adolf Hitler himself was the central figure of Nazism and increasingly it was he who determined the fate of every member of the party. Despite suggestions to the contrary, Hitler was not anti-homosexual. In fact, like Roehm, Hitler seemed to prefer homosexual companions and co-workers. In addition to Roehm and Hess, two of his closest friends, Hitler apparently chose homosexuals and other sexual deviants to fill key positions nearest to himself.
Rector attempts to dismiss sources that attribute homosexuality to leading Nazis, but nevertheless lists them in some detail: Reportedly, Hitler Youth leader, Baldur von Schirach was bisexual; Hitler’s private attorney, Reich Legal Director, Minister of Justice, butcher Governor-General of Poland, and public gay-hater Hans Frank was said to be a homosexual; Hitler’s adjutant Wilhelm Bruckner was said to be bisexual;...Walther Funk, Reich Minister of Economics [and Hitler’s personal financial advisor] has frequently been called a “notorious” homosexual...or as a jealous predecessor in Funk’s post, Hjalmar Schacht, contemptuously claimed, Funk was a “harmless homosexual and alcoholic;”...[Hitler’s second in command] Hermann Goering liked to dress up in drag and wear campy make-up; and so on and so forth (Rector:57).
Igra, who confidently asserts that the above men were homosexuals, cites still other Hitler aides and close friends who were known homosexuals. He states that Hitler’s chauffeur and one-time personal secretary, Emile Maurice, for example, was homosexual, as well as the pornographer, Julius Streicher, whom Hitler appointed Gauleiter of Nuremberg. Igra writes, Julius Streicher, the notorious Jew-baiter, was originally a school teacher, but was dismissed by the Nuremberg School Authorities, following numerous charges of pederasty brought against him...His paper, Der Stuermer, was frequently confiscated by the police, even at the height of the Nazi regime, because of the sexual obscenities displayed in the drawings and described in the text” (Igra:72f).
The evidence for homosexual leanings in another leading Nazi, Joseph Goebbels, is rather thin, but adds further insight to the inner workings of the group. Goebbels, Reich propaganda leader and close aide to the Fuehrer, is reported to have had a party in 1936 that degenerated into a violent homosexual orgy. The party featured “torch-bearing page boys in tight fitting white breeches, white satin blouses with lace cuffs and powdered rococo wigs” (Grunberger:70). Grunberger writes that Nazi roughnecks “were so affected by the rococo setting that they hurled themselves upon the bewigged page boys and pulled them into the bushes. Tables collapsed, torches were dimmed, and in the ensuing fracas a number of Party old fighters and their comely victims had to be rescued from drowning” (ibid:70). Goebbels may not have participated in the revelry himself, though Klaus Theweleit writes that “there is a significant moment in Rossbach’s account where he contests the right of Goebbels ‘of all people’ to act as a ‘moral arbiter,’” apparently assuming that his meaning is “‘common knowledge’ on the internal grapevine” (Theweleit, Vol 2:327).
Ralf George Reuth, in Goebbels (Harcourt Brace, New York, 1993), reports that Goebbels was accused by Roehm of pederasty. After Roehm’s homosexuality was exposed in the German press, Goebbels [a longtime rival] tried to get him dismissed from the party. “Roehm took revenge by spreading in return all sorts of rumors about Goebbels' relationship with Magda Quandt. He went so far as to suggest that Goebbels was interested less in Magda than in her young son. So along with Roehm’s homosexual excesses, people were talking about the “cloven foot’s ‘impossible (and immoral) relationship’” (Reuth:138f). (Goebbels’ club foot apparently gave rise to the epithet.). We also know that homosexual SA figure Wolf von Helldorf escaped assassination in the Roehm purge due only to intervention by Goebbels (Reuth:137).
Another close Hitler associate was Albert Speer. An October 30, 1995 book review in Newsweek, titled “Inside a Third Reich Insider” featured the book Albert Speer: His Battle With Truth by Gitta Sereny. The article speaks of a “homo-erotic (not sexual) relationship” between Speer and Hitler that was discussed in a previous book by a German psychoanalyst, Alexander Mitscherlich. Sereny writes that “Speer himself acknowledged that Mitscherlich ‘came closest to the truth.’” Altough Sereny claims this relationship was non-sexual, he reports that Speer’s secretary said Speer gave himself to Hitler “body and soul.” Sereny also observes that Speer never told Hitler he was married because of his “romantic” feelings for Hitler. (Sereny:109). In Albert Speer:The End of a Myth, German historian Dr. Matthais Schmidt commented on an “erotic” element to Speer’s relationship with Hitler. While Speer was remodelling Hitler’s official residence, Hitler invited him to lunch. “At lunch, Speer sat at Hitler’s side. The conversation became personal — and the two men ‘fell in love at first sight’” (Schmidt:41f). Aside from these insinuations we have no evidence of an actual homosexual relationship between Hitler and Speer. Langer writes in the 1940s that “[e]ven today Hitler derives sexual pleasure from looking at men’s bodies and associating with homosexuals” (Langer:179). He adds, quoting Strasser, that Hitler’s personal body-guard was “almost always 100% homosexuals” (ibid.:179).
It should be remembered that Hitler’s greatest hero was Frederick the Great, a well known homosexual (Garde:44). Clearly, Adolf Hitler was not anti-homosexual, at least not in his personal lifestyle. Indeed, the evidence of Hitler’s apparent preference for homosexuals is so overwhelming that, as have many historians before us, we naturally ask the question, “Was Hitler a homosexual?” Was Adolf Hitler a Homosexual?
If we ask whether Hitler was exclusively homosexual the short answer to this question is “probably not.” There are at least four women, including his own niece, with whom Hitler had sexual relationships, although these relationships were not normal. Both Waite and Langer write that Hitler was a coprophile (a person who is sexually aroused by human excrement) and suggest that his sexual encounters with women included expressions of this perversion as well as other extremely degrading forms of masochism. It is interesting to note that all of these women attempted suicide after becoming sexually involved with Hitler. Two succeeded (Langer:175f). Hitler contemporary Otto Strasser writes of an encounter he had with Hitler’s niece Gely: Next day Gely came to see me. She was red eyed, her round little face was wan, and she had the terrified look of a hunted beast. “He locked me up,” she sobbed. “He locks me up every time I say no!” She did not need much questioning. With anger, horror and disgust she told me of the strange propositions with which her uncle pestered her. I knew all about Hitler’s abnormality. Like all the others in the know, I had heard all about the eccentric practices to which Fraulein Hofmann was alleged to have lent herself, but I had genuinely believed that the photographer’s daughter was a little hysteric who told lies for the sheer fun of it. But Gely, who was completely ignorant of this other affair of her uncle’s, confirmed point by point a story scarcely credible to a healthy-minded man (Strasser, 1940:72).
Langer suggests that Hitler may very well have engaged in homosexual behavior, saying “persons suffering from his perversion sometimes do indulge in homosexual practices in the hope that they might find some sexual gratification. Even this perversion would be more acceptable to them than the one with which they are afflicted.” He reports, for example on the testimony of Hermann Rauschning, a trusted Hitler confidante whom Hitler appointed President of the Danzig Senate in 1932 (Wistrich:240, Snyder:282). He later fell out of favor and fled Germany in 1936 (ibid.).
Roehm met Hitler through a nationalist socialist terrorist movement called the Iron Fist and realized Hitler's demagogue potential to mobilize mass support. In 1921 Hitler became the first president of the German Workers Party, which later became the National Socialist German Worker's Party (NAZI), and soon after the SA became its military arm.
The SA meeting place, and also the first Nazi meetings, was in a gay bar in Munich called Bratwurstglockl, where they orchestrated the first Nazi campaign of intimidation and terror. All high members in the SA were gay -- to get in the higher ranks you had to be gay. Heinrich Himmler, the Butcher of Auschwitz, complained about this sexual mafia to a high raking officer. Still the SA got stronger, and by 1933 they had 2.5 million Stormtroopers [more than the German Army] prepared to fight.
Accounts of Hitler's homosexuality were published by Samuel Igra in Germany's National Vice magazine. Igra claims that Hitler had been a male prostitute in Vienna from 1907-12 and practiced the same work in Munich from 1912-14. Hitler was listed as a homosexual in Viennese police records, he was called "Der Schoene Adolf" (the handsome Adolf), and thanks to his homosexuality and Roehm's wealthy gay friends, Hitler got big money to support his projects.
In 1943, Langer wrote a psychological study of Hitler that was published in 1972 as "The Mind of Adolf Hitler," where he claims Hitler "derived sexual pleasure from looking at men's bodies and his greatest hero was Frederick the Great, a well-known homosexual."
All things considered, I tend to believe the Simon Wiesenthal Center a little more readily than a couple of professional 'phobes.
Um, the understatement of the year?
(go ahead and laugh)
laughing on the inside.
I read the OSS report many moons ago and maybe my young-teen mind didn't catch the intimation that Hitler was gay.
See passage above. The intimation is clearly mealy-mouthed at best.
lol. Worked up? Hardly dude. Highly amused? Immensely. And I'm quoting ur own precious OSS "evidence"!
Tip: in a debate, don't bring up evidence that flagrantly undermines the point your trying to make.
Hmm any books you could recommend? "The Pink Swastika" perhaps? Or possibly "The Poisoned Stream" by the same author?
That's some strong chain there. Color me convinced.
There was considerable speculation that hitler was gay, or at least had taken male lovers. His OSS profile states that Hitler called Forrester "Bubi", a term homosexuals use for their lover.
I don't have to "make" Hitler into anything. His OSS profile and Hitler's own actions already have made Hitler into someone who was widely rumored to be homosexual.
Implication is clear. Hitler's a homo. Your own words. Now you want to backpedal by emphasizing the "rumor" aspect. I love how you cherry picked the passages from the OSS profile, also. ;)
You then confusedly reply, "in a debate, don't bring up evidence that flagrantly undermines the point your trying to make. " when no such thing occured.
Of course it did. You clearly implied Hitler was a homo and I quoted from your own "evidence" to show how weak your argument was.
So, I ask again, given your highly agitated and confused state regarding this subject, are you yourself homosexual?
Yes, it's usually at this point of the argument when the loser, childish and petulant, vainly tries to destroy the personal character of the opponent. So predictable you could set a clock to it.
You mean the same document that says: "(Hitler's) nightmares, which frequently deal with being attacked by a man and being suffocated, also suggest strong homosexual tendencies and a fear of them. From these indications, however, we would conclude that for the most part these tendencies have been repressed, which would speak against the probability of their being expressed in overt form."
Sure -- why not? Lively and Co. prepared an unclassified document to call Hitler names. (Ignoring, of course, the "ex-gay" implications of Hitler's sexual repression.)
Again, a couple of professional 'phobes, twisting rumour and innuendo into 'fact', or an organization that's spent 50+ years tracking down and dealing with actual Nazis.
Lemme think on that one.
Your antihomo agenda is done if you keep up these "Nazi homo" hysterics. ;)
So did I.
lol! Verifiable facts of a rumor which you then clearly implied was true! lol. You are a trip, I'll say that. Keep up on your crypto antihomo theories, dude. I'm sure they'll worm their way onto the GOP platform one of these days. Or not.
Many prominent Nazi's were homos.
Was it many or some? Or two? Don't want rumors to cannibalize rational debate now! Let's check with Mr. Lively!
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