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To: MHGinTN
Curious to know your thoughts on this article...
96 posted on 04/24/2003 7:19:06 PM PDT by general_re (You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me....)
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To: general_re
If I'm not mistaken, the source embryo for the parthenogenesis is originally an individual embryonic human. The cells removed for the self replication are thus achieved at the sacrifice of an individual life, even though the continuous division of the extracted cells is done without 'tapping' another individual.
101 posted on 04/24/2003 7:24:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: general_re
The female sex cell starts out with a full 46 chromosomes. In the process of maturation to be a gamete for reproduction, that cell becomes a haploid having only 23 chromsomes. The normal compliment of 46 is required for true parthenogenesis, and it does happen in nature, always yielding a female offspring. If one removes a diploid and stimulates it into mitosis, reproduction of an individual human being is in evidence. Exploiting such derived individuals is the same as exploiting a fertilization derived individual. The key is the goal of the exploiter ... the individual will not be allowed to grow to term or in the case of forced mitosis of a haploid cannot grow to term. The use of cells from such a derived haploid is problematic, at best.
102 posted on 04/24/2003 7:31:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: general_re
general_re referred to an article titled "Discovery could silence debate over stem cells," by Michael Bradley, published April 25 2003, which contains the following:

It is the first time scientists have used a technique called parthenogenesis on human cells.

Parthenogenesis is a form of reproduction in which the egg develops without fertilisation. The phenomenon occurs naturally in many insects, while artificial parthenogenesis has been achieved in almost all groups of animals, although it usually results in abnormal development.

No successful experiments with human parthenogenesis have previously been reported. But researchers from Stemron report in the journal Stem Cells that they have successfully used artificial parthenogenesis in humans and that the cells taken from one of the embryos survived for a number of days.

From The Rainbow Cadenza by J. Neil Schulman, Simon & Schuster, 1983:

Jaeger looked back and forth between Eleanor and Vera. “Excuse an old man for staring, but I can’t help studying your remarkable resemblance to your mother. We don’t have very many clones in the habitats. Different eugenic goals, you know.”

Vera concealed her annoyance; she knew the word “clone” was used less precisely in the colonies—the “habitats,” she must remember to say around Jaeger, if she didn’t want to provoke war. “I’m my mother’s twin,” she told Jaeger, “by parthenogenesis. The process doesn’t produce the various inadequacies that clones suffer from.”

“Forgive me my error,” Jaeger said. “I didn’t mean to insult you. But I must say it was rather my impression that such ‘inadequacies’ resulted from nurture rather than nature.”

“Hear, hear,” Wendell said.

Vera flushed deeply but avoided looking at Wendell. “Some people,” she told Jaeger, “reject any scientific conclusion that doesn’t happen to support their convictions.”

“Some people do indeed,” Wendell said.

“Maestro,” said Stanton, “you’ve just walked into the middle of one of the most hotly debated political issues on the planet.”

I love being a science fiction writer.

104 posted on 04/24/2003 7:43:16 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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