Father kills his 3 children, and self

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

NOKESVILLE, VIRGINIA per FOC NEWS CHANNEL

A father has killed himself and his three young children in his home in Nokesville, VA.

The children are ages 9, 7, and 5.

Details to follow

[BibChr]

I can't imagine.

I just wish these people were as stupid as they were evil. You know, plan to do themselves, AND THEN their kids?

Dan

[RobRoy]

>>To sit and excuse some simpering malcontent while claiming that "family court made him do wrong" is the height of straw grabbing.<<

Yes that would be straw grabbing. You must have meant to post to someone else, for I have excused nothing any of these murderers has done. I HAVE tried to understand what would cause them to "excuse" it in their own mind.

Everything done by EVERY human, no matter how dispicable, is considered by the person doing it to be the correct behavior for the situation - EVERY ACTION. The human mind is a very complex thing.

[FITZ]

This guy was crushed and telling stories of the girls being sexually abused by the "boyfriend."

Maybe he was a liar ---any man who would kill his own kids might have lied about the boyfriend ---it's not a good idea to bring lovers into the home so I wouldn't say the ex-wife was blameless either. Chances are she knew the ex-husband was pathological and anyone knows bringing a lover to live in the house is asking for jealous rages.

[hopespringseternal]

You seem to think there are limits on God's ability to forgive sin. Please explain where he draws the line, based on your interpretation of His Word.

You must have missed all those references to Hell. The very existence of it presupposes that some people will not be forgiven. In fact, scripture clearly states that Hell will be a lot easier to get into than Heaven.

No rational mind that believes children are being molested supposes that the answer to that situation is killing the children. The ex wife and her boyfriend, sure. But killing the children and himself is an act of utter destruction, defiance, and self-pity. He used his kids as pawns, proving he had no love for them, only himself. If you have ever found yourself thinking that way, you are seriously whacked.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

hell man, kill the boyfreind and the ex. NOT THE KIDS!!! jeesh what a coward. He wasn't saving his kids , he was punishing his wife and in the process snuffed out the lives of the innocent.

Murder is murder. No matter if it is the wife, boyfriend, or children. Advocating the killing of others is evil.

[RobRoy]

>>So, women aren't designed to be responsible?<<

Sort of. Men and women share the same skills and such, but both are stronger where the other is weaker. Both can carry weight, but men can carry more. Both can nurture, but it is what the woman was primarily designed for. Both can take responsibility for a situation, but it is what the man is primarily designed for.

I could go on, but I think you get my drift. The Bible says that the man is the HEAD of the marital relationship. One might ask, "why?"

C.S. Lewis sums it up pretty good:

"1. Why should there be a head at all? 2. Why should it be the man?

(1) The need for some head follows from the idea that marriage is permanent. Of course, as long as the husband and wife are agreed, no question of a head need arise; and we may hope that this will be the normal state of affairs in a Christian marriage. But when there is a real disagreement, what is to happen? Talk it over, of course; but I am assuming they have done that and still failed to reach agreement. What do they do next? They cannot decide by a majority vote, for in a council of two, there can be no majority. Surely, only one or other of two things can happen: either they must separate and go their own ways or else one or the other of them must have a casting vote. If marriage is permanent, one or the other party must, in the last resort, have the power of deciding the family policy. You cannot have a permanent association without a constitution.

(2) If their must be a head, why the man? Well, firstly is there any very serious wish that it should be the woman? As I have said, I am not married myself, but as far as I can see, even a woman who wants to be the head of her own house does not usually admire the same state of things when she finds it going on next door. She is much more likely to say ‘poor Mr. X! Why he allows that appalling woman to boss him about the way she does is more than I can imagine.’ I do not think she is even very flattered if anyone mentions the fact of her won ‘headship’. There must be something unnatural about the rule of wives over husbands, because the wives themselves are half ashamed of it and despise the husbands whom they rule. But there is also another reason; and here I speak quite frankly as a bachelor, because it is a reason you can see from the outside even better than from the inside. The relations of the family to the outer world – what might be called its foreign policy – must depend, in the last resort, upon the man, because he always aught to be, and usually is, much more just to the outsiders. A woman is primarily fighting for her own children and husband against the rest of the world. Naturally, almost, in a sense, rightly, their claims override, for her, all other claims. She is the special trustee of their interests. The function of the husband is to see that this natural preference of hers is not given its head. He has the last word in order to protect other people from the intense family patriotism of the wife. If anyone doubts this, let me ask a simple question. If your dog has bitten the child next door, or if your child has hurt the dog next door, which would you sooner have to deal with, the master of that house or the mistress? Or, if you are a married woman, let me ask you this question. Much as you admire your husband, would you not say that his chief failing is his tendency not to stick up for his rights and yours against the neighbours as vigorously as you would like? A bit of an Appeaser?”

God designed men for the task. They're not better than women, just different, literally, any more than they are better because they can carry more weight, or women are better because they can bear children. The two types are just different (physiologically, not just physically) and designed for different basic tasks.

[RobRoy]

>>hell man, kill the boyfreind and the ex. NOT THE KIDS!!! jeesh what a coward. He wasn't saving his kids , he was punishing his wife and in the process snuffed out the lives of the innocent.<<

Based on the circumstances, you are more right than you know. However, the real solution, as you would agree, would involve quite a bit less violence period.

However, It wasn't really even the "boyfriend and ex" that was the root. It was the judge and attorney that gave them their power over the man and his daughters.

[RobRoy]

>>You must have missed all those references to Hell. The very existence of it presupposes that some people will not be forgiven. In fact, scripture clearly states that Hell will be a lot easier to get into than Heaven. <<

The lake of fire was prepared for Satan, not man. Yes, people will go to hell, but you have not addressed why. If I live a really good life and only take one candybar from the store and refuse to accept Jesus and turn away from my sin, I will not be forgiven. If I kill 1,000,000 people and understand the gravity of what I have done and beg God for forgiveness and repent (turn away and stop killing people), then, according to His Word, I WILL be forgiven.

I agree with your last paragraph except I need to clarify the following. You said, "If you have ever found yourself thinking that way, you are seriously whacked."

I agree with you. No, I have never found myself thinking that way, but I can understand how a man could delude himself to think that way.

Jesus said that if you hate your brother you have committed murder in your heart. I believe we are or have ALL been murderers at one time or another.

[new cruelty]

ROTFLOL

C.S. Lewis sums it up pretty good:

THAT is the basis of your logic?

lewis himself confesses in his writings that he has not walked a mile in a married man's shoes.

[RobRoy]

>>THAT is the basis of your logic?<<

No, it is not the basis of my logic. But it is a good summary of some key points. This is a message board, not a thesis board.

[new cruelty]

hardly.

quoting lewis to help summarize some key points only makes your message foggy at best.

[Luna]

Thanks.

Shocking, isn't it, that men and women are different? Harhar.

C.S. Lewis was a great man. His insight was amazing.

[RobRoy]

>>quoting lewis to help summarize some key points only makes your message foggy at best. <<

That is a darned interesting opinon you have there.

I disagree, by the way...

[RobRoy]

I'm actually teaching "Mere Christianity" to a high school class. At first the kids thought it was quite dry, but as they get the gist of his writing style, the discussion has become quite animated.

He presents the concepts in ways that many lifelong Christians have never considered them. Many new paradigms are opened for these kids.

[new cruelty]

reading your other posts, i take comfort in that and would expect nothing less.

be well.

[RobRoy]

You too.

Oh, by the way, "DON'T BE CRUEL, TO A HEART THAT'S TRUE."

Never mind, I'm no Elvis, and you can't hear me anyway...

[Space Wrangler]

www.newschannel9.com Dec. 15, 2000

It happened on Hancock Road. Tracy thacker went to Michigan Avenue School and signed his daughter, 8-year-old Maylan, and 6-year-old son, Carson, out of school for the day. Bradley County Information Officer Chip Bryant says the original call to authorities came from a family member living in Sullivan County, Tenn. The family member called saying Thacker had called to say he was going to check his kids out of school and kill them. The dispatcher notified the school officer who discovered that the kids were in fact checked out. They then sent officers to Thacker's home. They tried to talk to Thacker and then saw smoke and realized he'd set the home on fire. Thacker came outside with a bloodied knife, theatening officers. He was shot and killed. But inside the home, the two children were already dead either from stab wounds, or smoke inhalation. There had been ongoing domestic problems between Thacker and his wife who were in the process of getting a divorce. Evidence indicates that Thacker had been planning the murder.

Same thing happened pretty close by to my neighborhood. There were several things that made this personal for me. First of all, the woman this psycho was married to and the mother of the children was a life-long acqauntance of mine. We went to school together from 1st grade on. Secondly, these children went to the school that my daughter will be attending. Thirdly, the guy passed me on our little country road just before he murdered the kids. The cop who shot and killed him lives three doors down from me as well. I keep thinking back to that day of how he passed me very dangerously on that road on my way home for lunch. One of those 'if only I would have known' situations. I still get the chills when I think about it. I saw with my own eyes alot of this as it unfolded. The house, while not in my neighborhood, is no less than 1/4 mi. away. I didn't find out what was going on until later that evening. And all this a week before Christmas.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

It was the judge and attorney that gave them their power over the man and his daughters.

Drop the crack pipe. In my mind, no "man" who could contemplate something like this deserves contact - and likely brought about the circumstances that caused her to find someone else for support and protection.

[nicmarlo]

lewis himself confesses in his writings that he has not walked a mile in a married man's shoes.

Perhaps that was in his earlier writing; Lewis did marry, in 1956, to Joy Davidman Gresham. She died of bone cancer in 1960.