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***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - 24 APR 03/Day 36 - LIVE THREAD***
24 APR 03 | An.American.Expatriate

Posted on 04/23/2003 9:05:41 PM PDT by Mo1

Operation Iraqi Freedom

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Good Morning.

This is the Daily Thread of Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - LIVE THREAD.

It is designed for general conversation about the events of the day. In depth discussion of events should be left to individual threads - but links to the threads or other articles is highly encouraged. This allows us to stay abreast of the situation in general, while also providing a means of obtaining specific information.


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To: DollyCali
That's why I vote for Pitcairn. Plus I remember a story where they maybe losing 25% of their population, 8 out of 24/25 people. So there is already talk of depopulating the island and moving the survivor to Australia I believe. It is in the middle of no where a couple of small ships could patrol it, just dump them there and tell them they are on their own.
561 posted on 04/24/2003 4:39:14 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: DollyCali
That is the beauty of Bikini Atoll. What is the half life of plutonium, anyway?
562 posted on 04/24/2003 4:40:26 PM PDT by Air Force Born
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To: Air Force Born
Pretty long but the people would not last long enough for it to be punishment.
563 posted on 04/24/2003 4:42:09 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: Timeout; Miss Marple
and for his firm stand against the prime minister of Britain, the criminal Blair

Can you just picture him preening as he discusses this with his Iraqi "friends"? You can bet it was made clear this was why he was getting well-paid.

And the cash is most interesting. Say, I think I'll ping Miss Marple as she's following the cash story. I wonder if he got paid in U.S. $100 bills?

564 posted on 04/24/2003 4:43:53 PM PDT by cyncooper (thousands of cheering Iraqis yelled, "America, America, America," and "Bush, Bush, Bush.")
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To: Kadric
Ok on Bikini, I guess...Pitcairn.. I recall from Munity on bounty the beauty of it..

I volunteer to be expatriated there if I am ever deemed a villan
565 posted on 04/24/2003 4:44:15 PM PDT by DollyCali (Authenticity: To have Arrived !)
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To: Miss Marple
From the new Galloway story in the Monitor:

The Iraqi general, who is familiar with financial dealings of Hussein's inner circle, said that checks of several million dollars could have easily been cashed in a bank on the ground floor of one of the President's most important palaces in Baghdad.

Do you suppose metal boxes were recently moved from Saddam Hussein's "most important palace" to say, cottages and dog kennels that were then bricked up?

566 posted on 04/24/2003 4:48:24 PM PDT by cyncooper (thousands of cheering Iraqis yelled, "America, America, America," and "Bush, Bush, Bush.")
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To: cyncooper; Dolphy
Farris Salman had his tongue cut out by Iraqi security forces after brawling with an intelligence officer in Baghdad in December.

TERROR UNDER HUSSEIN

Iraqis Tell of a Reign of Torture and Maiming

By CRAIG S. SMITH

AGHDAD, Iraq, April 23 — In the Abu Chair neighborhood on the city's outskirts, Ali Kadhem Ghanem answers the door to his family's house with a sheepish smile. He is a handsome man of 29, until he turns his head to reveal the monstrous approximation of an ear, like something a child might fashion out of clay.

It is the result of two attempts at reconstructive surgery to replace an ear sliced off as punishment for leaving his army unit without permission for seven days. Young men by the hundreds, he said, lost ears for deserting the military after the policy was put into effect in 1994.

Thousands of people are missing in Iraq, victims of Saddam Hussein's dictatorship, but a more visible legacy are the parts that are missing from people who survived. Missing eyes, ears, toenails and tongues mark those who fell into the hands of Mr. Hussein's powerful security services.

A network of Baath Party informers, intelligence service investigators, secret police operatives and the feared Fedayeen Saddam preyed on the populace to snuff out dissent before it could spread. One man encountered in Baghdad in recent days said he had his hand cut off and a cross carved in his forehead for dealing in dollars.

Many of the victims were Shiite Muslims, who make up some 60 percent of the roughly 25 million Iraqis and presented a constant potential threat to Mr. Hussein's secular but Sunni-dominated government.

Kadhim Sabbit al-Datajji, 61, a resident of the poor Shiite neighborhood known as Saddam City under Mr. Hussein, said his trouble began when the eldest of his seven sons became old enough to join the Baath Party, but did not. "Some Baathists in the neighborhood began asking why no one in my family was a party member and saying that with so many children, my family could cause trouble," he said. "They asked, `Why don't you or your sons join? We think you are in an opposition party.' "

He now has a walleyed stare to show for eight years in prison. He is quick to pop out his glass eye for a visitor — and to tell of how he lost the real one to torture.

Farris Salman is one of the last victims of Mr. Hussein's rule. His speech is slurred because he is missing part of his tongue. Black-hooded paramilitary troops, the Fedayeen Saddam, run by Mr. Hussein's eldest son, Uday, pulled it out of his mouth with pliers last month, he said, and sliced it off with a box cutter. They made his family and dozens of his neighbors watch.

"I thought they were going to execute me," said Mr. Salman, sitting on the floor in his family's small house in a run-down neighborhood of the capital a week after being freed by a frightened prison warden as Americans took control of the city. "When one of the fedayeen said they were going to cut my tongue out, I said, `No, please, just kill me.' "

The tales of torture burn fresh in the memory, regardless of how many years have passed since the damage was done.

Mr. Datajji said he was detained for questioning after the country's 1991 Shiite uprising. In 1994, the secret police kicked in his door and rounded up the 14 males in his extended family. All were eventually released — except for Mr. Datajji and a 24-year-old nephew. The nephew was hanged after eight months in jail.

Mr. Datajji spent over two years in a lightless, six-foot-square cell from which he was summoned for what he said were countless sessions of torture. Sometimes they hung him by his arms from behind, pulling his shoulders out of joint. Sometimes they beat him with a thick wooden club and sometimes jolted him with electricity. Sometimes, he said, they did all three. One day, they pulled out four of his toenails.

"At the beginning, I was afraid, but it became normal," he said. "Of course you scream, but it is normal to scream."

Some people died; he does not know why he survived.

"I can't even imagine it now," he said. "It's something like watching a video for me."

After two and a half years, he was sentenced to 15 years for sedition and moved to Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, sharing a 15-foot square cell with 30 to 40 other prisoners. When cellmates fought, he said, everyone was punished with more torture.

After a few years, his right eye became swollen from so many beatings. A doctor in the prison hospital promised an operation.

"I thought they were going to fix my eye," he said, "but when I woke up I had just one eye left. They had cut the other one out."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/24/international/worldspecial/24MAIM.html

567 posted on 04/24/2003 4:48:54 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: cyncooper; All
American Airlines CEO Dom Carty just resign per Fox News
Another one bites the dust.
568 posted on 04/24/2003 4:52:35 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Aaron0617
crap...now this fools is going 65+ down residential streets

Now he's going the wrong way down a wrong way street. No good. Coppers gotta call this off.

*sigh* and all the A-10 are in Iraq...

569 posted on 04/24/2003 4:52:41 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Kadric
Yeah, Bikini wouldn't be long, although I saw a recent Documentary where we have partially decon'd it. Still, the site of these ogres dying of bloody diarrhea from their bowels having died within them, well, I have seen such deaths. It is intensely agonizing.
570 posted on 04/24/2003 4:54:00 PM PDT by Air Force Born
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To: cyncooper
One could fit a LOT of $100 bills in a peace activist's double-decker bus!

(And scoot right on by the border security in Switzerland)
571 posted on 04/24/2003 4:54:31 PM PDT by Timeout ("They have not led. We will."---George W. Bush, 2000 GOP convention)
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To: Air Force Born
Thundestorm blowing in, I am off for now.
572 posted on 04/24/2003 4:57:57 PM PDT by Air Force Born
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To: TexKat
Thanks for providing the link on this. It really is horrible stuff.
573 posted on 04/24/2003 4:59:27 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: All
Bill O'reilly will be reporting on the Clintons having lunch with the Canadian PM coming up.
574 posted on 04/24/2003 5:02:59 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Dolphy
O'Reilly is now talking about Brill's book and Hitlery
575 posted on 04/24/2003 5:04:18 PM PDT by LauraJean (Fukai please pass the squid sauce)
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To: Dolphy
You are more than welcome.
576 posted on 04/24/2003 5:04:56 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Shep had a report on a guy who lives in Tikrit who looks like Saddam and is being harrassed, stopped and searched constantly. He is fed up. I had the sound down but I believe he is ticked off enough he is taking it to Fox and telling people to lay off! He had sunglasses on. Do you think it really was Saddam incognito???????
577 posted on 04/24/2003 5:10:32 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: TexKat
Interviewing Brill seems to me like pulling teeth.
578 posted on 04/24/2003 5:10:53 PM PDT by LauraJean (Fukai please pass the squid sauce)
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To: Dolphy
That article is so beyond disgusting. It makes one want to wretch.
579 posted on 04/24/2003 5:12:08 PM PDT by Jaded (Close the BORDERS and the CHECKBOOK!! (schpelin iz opshenul))
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To: Kadric
I still think we should purchase Pitcairn Island from the British.

I had to look it up...tiny - 2 mi. X 1 mi., 1000 ft high crater rim of an extinct volcano encloses the settlement...pigs and chickens run wild, coffee, sugar and citrus...in the S. Pacific, with regular trade and contact with New Zealanders.

Forget the terrorist prison...let's buy Pitcairn for us and build the bad guy prison in the Mojave Desert - or next to Michael Ratner's house. (^;

580 posted on 04/24/2003 5:13:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Let's Roll" -Todd Beamer, 9-11-01. "I see happy!" free Iraqi man in Baghdad, 4-09-03.)
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