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How is self-gratification the "unreasonable denial of the natural order"?

[eastsider]

I wasn't aware that I implied that self-gratification is a denial of the natural order, and if my post can be construed that way, I'll have to explain myself differently.

Self-gratification is the natural end of same-sex acts. That is, same-sex acts are ordered toward self-gratification.

Procreation is the natural end of opposite-sex acts. That is, opposite-sex acts are ordered toward procreation.

One can only make the case for parity between opposite-sex acts and same-sex acts if one denies that procreation is the natural end of opposite-sex acts -- that is, if one denies the natural order. IMO, such a denial is completely unreasonable.