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To: supercat
If a Republican were to suggest that a concealed-carry law will make it possible for gays to protect themselves against gay-bashers, what practical response would the Democrats have? I don't see any way they could avoid either supporting the Second Amendment or else showing their true intention of keeping gays as a "victim class".

And Republicans could suggest that lower taxes are good for gays too, especially since their higher incomes put them in a higher tax bracket. And so on. All this does is show that conservative policies benefit all Americans. Going out of one's way to say "it benefits gays" specifically is making a "special class" out of them, and condones their behavior that most Americans still find unacceptable despite all the liberal brainwashing programs they have on TV and in the "publik scools." And that's what gay activists really want, is favorable public acknowledgement so that one day they can get marriage benefits and adoption rights and all that stuff. The GOP shouldn't give any of that to them.

48 posted on 04/21/2003 5:33:54 PM PDT by Hoppean
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To: Hoppean
If a Republican were to suggest that a concealed-carry law will make it possible for gays to protect themselves against gay-bashers, what practical response would the Democrats have? I don't see any way they could avoid either supporting the Second Amendment or else showing their true intention of keeping gays as a "victim class".

And Republicans could suggest that lower taxes are good for gays too, especially since their higher incomes put them in a higher tax bracket. And so on. All this does is show that conservative policies benefit all Americans.

And what's wrong with showing that conservative policies benefit all Americans?

Suppose the government is considering Policy X. This policy will harm nobody, and make everybody's life better. Consider the following three ways of describing this policy:

  1. It will benefit everybody.
  2. It will benefit all straight white males, and everyone else too.
  3. It will benefit all battered black women who are really latent lesbians but were forced to conform to the expectations of a cruel, hetero-centric world [and everyone else too].
To you or I, (1) would be the biggest selling point. To a distressingly-large number of useful idiots, however, (3) would be the largest selling point. If the Republicans try to push (1), the liberal media will counter with (2), thereby ensuring the useful idiots will oppose it.

Liberals lie. RINOs join in the lies. Hard right-wing conservatives often oppose the lies, but seldom do anything to expose them. I would argue that exposing the lies should be the Republicans' focus.

57 posted on 04/21/2003 5:52:22 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Hoppean
If a Republican were to suggest that a concealed-carry law will make it possible for gays to protect themselves against gay-bashers, what practical response would the Democrats have? I don't see any way they could avoid either supporting the Second Amendment or else showing their true intention of keeping gays as a "victim class".

And Republicans could suggest that lower taxes are good for gays too, especially since their higher incomes put them in a higher tax bracket. And so on. All this does is show that conservative policies benefit all Americans.

And what's wrong with showing that conservative policies benefit all Americans?

Suppose the government is considering Policy X. This policy will harm nobody, and make everybody's life better. Consider the following three ways of describing this policy:

  1. It will benefit everybody.
  2. It will benefit all straight white males, and everyone else too.
  3. It will benefit all battered black women who are really latent lesbians but were forced to conform to the expectations of a cruel, hetero-centric world [and everyone else too].
To you or I, (1) would be the biggest selling point. To a distressingly-large number of useful idiots, however, (3) would be the largest selling point. If the Republicans try to push (1), the liberal media will counter with (2), thereby ensuring the useful idiots will oppose it.

Liberals lie. RINOs join in the lies. Hard right-wing conservatives often oppose the lies, but seldom do anything to expose them. I would argue that exposing the lies should be the Republicans' focus.

58 posted on 04/21/2003 5:52:22 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Hoppean
And Republicans could suggest that lower taxes are good for gays too, especially since their higher incomes put them in a higher tax bracket.

Unfortunately, this statement really isn't true. Most of the tax cuts that the current GOP has supported are "targeted" tax cuts. What "targeted" really means is that they discriminate against anyone who doesn't fit the favored categories of the politically correct. These tax cuts are good for couples where both partners work because they were the only ones paying the "marriage penalty." Unfortunately, these tax cuts do nothing for couples that make the sacrifices that allow a wife not to have a job outside the home. If anything, single-income families will be hurt when tax rates have to be raised to pay for too much government spending. Likewise, people who are single and don't have children receive no benefit from most of the favored changes in the tax code. My taxes probably wouldn't be any higher if a Democrat were in the White House. If the party wanted to benefit those of us who are single, they would reduce tax rates and most importantly cut government spending. Those changes in policy would help the homosexuals as well as those of us who are single heterosexuals.

I don't have a problem with the party taking some time to listen to the homosexuals. If there is common ground that we can reach without compromising our principles, then we should emphasize that common ground. At this point, I'm not that worried about this meeting. However, the party would be making a big mistake in taking another action that would demoralize the base on the hope of gaining just a little ground with groups that will never really support Republicans anyway.

Diversity Is Not Our Strength
Bill

78 posted on 04/21/2003 8:21:07 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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