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The Tax Cut Shrinks and Grows
Forbes ^ | 04.21.03 | Dan Ackman

Posted on 04/21/2003 1:16:16 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Even as conservative groups are running advertisements suggesting recalcitrant Republican senators are un-American, Treasury Secretary John Snow is hinting to The Wall Street Journal that he would settle for half the dividend tax break proposed for this year if Congress agreed to eliminate the tax entirely over the rest of the decade.

The Bush Administration tax cut plan had been priced at $726 billion over ten years when it was proposed in January. It has since been scaled back to $550 billion. But the U.S. Senate may not be willing to pass anything in excess of $350 billion.

The downscaling of ambitions has been seen as an attempt to win the support of moderate senators in both parties who are balking at tax cuts when the federal budget deficit is expected to grow beyond $300 billion this year. The major difference between the original plan and the revised plan is that several tax law changes will be phased in over time, according to USA Today, citing senior administration officials.

For example, instead of the tax cuts being retroactive to Jan. 1, none would kick in until after President George W. Bush signed them into law later this year. Instead of eliminating the income tax on stock dividends immediately, the plan would phase the tax out over five years. Instead of increasing the child tax credit from $600 per child to $1,000 immediately, the administration would do so gradually...

...In any event, all the tax cut numbers are misleading in the sense that any current plan is backloaded. While the White House wants credit for at least half-a-trillion dollars in cuts, the vast majority of those cuts will actually be delivered--assuming no intervening tax law changes--after the first George W. Bush Administration ends, or even after the president's second administration. The short-term numbers tend to get lost in all the talk of ten-year plans.

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report done in May 2002, of the existing budget proposals, the new tax laws and proposed spending plans--compared to baseline projections--would increase the federal deficit by $41 billion in 2003, but by $138 billion in 2004.

By 2005, the CBO projects a decreasing deficit in either scenario. But the baseline deficit would be $123 billion, while the deficit under the president's plan would be $270 billion. By 2009, the CBO projects a $61 billion surplus under the baseline and a $153 billion deficit under the president's plan.

All told, the CBO says that the administration's tax policy would lead to additional deficits of $2.7 trillion over the next ten years. But just $326 billion would be seen by 2005 and just $802 billion would be seen before 2008. These deficit figures incorporate spending as well as tax plans--and the spending differences dwarf any changes in tax law. The numbers can be sliced a lot of ways, and there are serious discrepancies between CBO numbers and administration numbers. (The CBO's complete analysis is available on its Web site.)

But they all show how easy it is for government officials to present a big number now, while most of the presumed benefit will be enjoyed much later.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bushtaxcuts; economy; tax

1 posted on 04/21/2003 1:16:16 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman
I support cutting spending. What happened to that thought? We are seeing a reincarnation of the Democrats in the Republican party. Unlimited spending, big government, big wars, and endless programs.
2 posted on 04/21/2003 1:31:41 PM PDT by meenie
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To: All
$726 billion over ten years

How can anyone characterize this drop in the Federal bucket as "excessive"?

3 posted on 04/21/2003 1:34:26 PM PDT by newgeezer (Admit it; Amendment XIX is very much to blame.)
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To: meenie
Votes for sale, plain and simple.
4 posted on 04/21/2003 1:35:41 PM PDT by newgeezer (Admit it; Amendment XIX is very much to blame.)
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To: bruinbirdman
If Bush' economic team were smart, they'd realize how dumb it is to phase in the child tax credit and marriage penalty when the bulk of his support is from families with children and not singles or the elderly and after he made such a big deal about it.
5 posted on 04/21/2003 1:39:48 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: meenie
I'm disheartened to the point of exasperation with those professional politicians who, at election time, tell us they're conservative, and then develop weak knees back in D.C. For years, the GOP said they couldn't pass their agenda because they had one house but not the other, or both houses but not the presidency, etc. Now they have both houses and the presidency and the refrain is, "we have to compromise because of the RINOs." No reductions in spending and very anemic tax cuts. How much longer until we see the conservative legislative agenda we thought these guys were going to usher in?
6 posted on 04/21/2003 1:45:39 PM PDT by reelfoot
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To: reelfoot
I agree with you......I am begining to sound more like Patrick J. Buchanan, but the GOP says one thing and acts another. In 2002, with the AMT, property taxes, etc, etc, 50% of my pay is going to taxes........

7 posted on 04/21/2003 1:47:45 PM PDT by matthew_the_brain
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To: meenie
We are seeing a reincarnation of the Democrats in the Republican party. Unlimited spending, big government

Ya think?

8 posted on 04/21/2003 1:50:27 PM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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To: bruinbirdman
This tax cut should be the absolute centerpiece of the conservative agenda. 50% of the American population pays 92% of the taxes, and I feel that some of us are at the taxpayer boiling point. Now, if you and I rebel against the progressive tax implementation, we're going to find that only half the population is sympathetic with our cause.

Thus, the liberals have successfully paid off their voters. Half the population, and they pay 8% of the taxes. Thanks to Frist reducing the cut by almost $376 billion and dodging town immediately, we can accuse the Republicans for being complicit in the overtaxation of the American people too.
9 posted on 04/21/2003 2:07:22 PM PDT by cbass
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To: reelfoot
I understand what you are saying. But the fact is that in Ohio, for example, Voinovich and DeWine BOTH voted to convict Clinton; BOTH voted no on CFR; DeWine has been a STRONG pro-life vote and Voinovich voted FOR ANWAR.

But the problem is that after several "conservative" votes, they feel they've "earned" enough brownie points to defect on their own private projects. Voino voted AGAINST the tax cut; DeWine AGAINST ANWAR.

The frustration is that in the real world of politics these guys IN FACT do vote conservative just enough of the time to get them elected, but without another 10 GOP senators to take up the slack, the "maverick" votes of some of these people are just enough to halt any real reform.

I know we all view this from our perspective, but if you view it from theirs, they think they are towing the conservative line, and every once in a while get to indulge themselves. It's not right, but it is reality. We need either 5 more Rick Santorums or 10 more DeWines, and, unfortunately, the latter is easier to elect than the former.

10 posted on 04/21/2003 2:13:03 PM PDT by LS
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To: GraniteStateConservative
they'd realize how dumb it is to phase in

The socialists spent 70 years "phasing in". Seems to have paid off for them.

yitbos

11 posted on 04/21/2003 2:15:58 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (Veritas Vos Liberabit)
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To: bruinbirdman
Families with children don't vote socialist-- they vote GOP. The Socialists can afford to alienate families with children. Families with children are the base of the GOP. The GOP always does well (about 10 points higher or so) in the Weekly Reader presidential mock election by children. Those kids vote like Mommy and Daddy vote.
12 posted on 04/21/2003 6:18:14 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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