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Offshore outsourcing grows
The Atlanta Business Chronicle ^ | April 18, 2003 print edition | Anya Martin

Posted on 04/21/2003 11:41:20 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To trim costs last year, Alpharetta-based MAPICS outsourced approximately 80 percent of its major application coding and development to New Delhi, India-based HCL Technologies and formed a five-year partnership.

A year later, the money saved, an estimated 35 percent compared with handling the labor in-house, helped keep the firm profitable in a troubled economy and to facilitate its $30 million acquisition of competitor Frontstep Inc. (Nasdaq: FSTP) in January.

"It's just a good model for us; what it gives me is the flexibility to scale up or down depending on the product development projects over time," said Alan MacLamroc, chief technology executive for MAPICS Inc. (Nasdaq: MAPX), a manufacturing software services provider.

MAPICS is just one of a growing number of U.S. companies outsourcing IT development and software writing overseas to save money, and the trend is expected to grow, according to industry analysts.

The North American IT outsourcing market is projected to increase from $101 billion in 2000 to $160 billion in 2005, and 26 percent of firms already using offshore services plan to double their spending in this area within the next year, according to Gartner Dataquest.

Popular locations for IT outsourcing include India, Ireland, China, Singapore, the Philip-pines, Russia and South Africa.

This trend is similar to companies sending manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor and operating costs 25 years ago, said Martin Tilson, partner and chair of the technology practice in the Atlanta offices of law firm Kilpatrick Stockton LLP.

An increasing number of noncore services are also being exported to educated offshore work forces, including IT services, product and software development, call centers, human resources, bookkeeping and even entire financial departments, he said.

"We live in an electronic global marketplace where physical borders are less constraining, so once services are moved out and working properly, short of a cataclysmic war where borders are closed, they are probably not coming back," Tilson said.

Within the next 15 years, U.S. companies will send abroad an estimated 3.3 million U.S. service industry jobs, or $136 billion in U.S. wages, according to Forrester Research.

MAPICS' outsourcing to HCL Technologies Ltd. resulted in an approximately 12 percent staff reduction, and the company also underwent a restructuring last spring after the January 2002 deal, MacLamroc said.

Fortune 500 or Fortune 1000 firms have led the trend of offshore outsourcing, with small to midsized companies accounting for just 1 percent of all outsourcing.

That number is not expected to increase to more than 10 percent by 2005, according to Forrester.

Countries compete

The number of countries offering cheap IT labor is also in flux, with new players entering the market while more established ones mature, said Stan Anderson, managing partner at TechDiscovery LLC, an Atlanta-based software development outsourcing provider, which is considering bidding jointly with Indian firms for jobs.

"There's quite a bit of competition among developing shops in cities like Hyderabad and Banglor," he said. "They're now hiring from each other in much the way it was in Silicon Valley a few years ago."

However, if Indian IT salaries are driven up too significantly, cost advantages may diminish, with U.S. companies looking to other locales for talent, Anderson said.

For example, Israeli software firms, once a low-cost alternative, are now more likely to team with U.S. companies as equal players, said Tom Glazer, president of the American-Israeli Chamber of Commerce, Southeast region.

Not all overseas outsourcing experiences offer a happy ending, and companies should ensure that projects sent offshore are clearly defined in terms of goals and technical requirements, Anderson said.

"If you can't explain it to people thousands of miles away, you're not going to have a satisfactory outcome," he said.

MAPICS evaluated potential outsourcers rigorously, checking company references with other firms who had used them and carefully evaluating each contractor's network infrastructure, MacLamroc said.

Communication

A key factor to success is ongoing management and training, as well as ongoing daily communication with the vendor, made easy by videoconferencing advances, he said.

"We have online meetings where we may be projecting the actual application screens live and walking through a design review or an actual code review," MacLamroc said.

Although security might seem like it would be a bigger concern when sending work overseas in the current climate of terrorism, MacLamroc said he felt no more worries in this area than if a project was done domestically.

"Back when there was a lot of saber-rattling between Pakistan and India, we did fairly extensive what-if planning with the vendor in case things were to spiral out of hand," he said. "But I don't think there's any significant difference with security. There are just heightened security [risks] everywhere around the world right now."

Anya Martin is a contributing writer for Atlanta Business Chronicle. Reach her at atlantatechbiz@bizjournals.com.


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To: A. Pole
I grew up in a Communist country I see. Especially when it comes to education in social sciences and economics, teh Eastern block is particularly renown.

If you indeed grew up there, you'll have to spend years of active reeducation before you come to a clean slate, just to undo damage.

I grew up in a Communist country and I see that it is you who peddles propaganda.

It is not surprising, given your admission, that you cannot read: I have not said anything at all about what should be done, what policies I prefer. I have not even wispered anything in that direction --- and yet you have seen "propaganda?" No further comment.

141 posted on 04/21/2003 3:49:39 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: samuel_adams_us
But they aren't paying US workers German wages. This is what I mean.

Forget what foreign workers make in terms of what you think you should be paid. It's not relevant to your paycheck. This is what I mean that economics is local.

What matters in terms of foreign wages is the ability to compete with those wages.

It does matter then an Indian programmer earns 1/3 as less since he'll put you out of a job. But it doesn't matter that a german autoworker makes $75,000 and you make $70,000. You can't go to your boss and demand a raise based upon the wages in another country or State for that matter.

142 posted on 04/21/2003 3:49:58 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: samuel_adams_us
Pretty scary: on a conservative board, someone, when thinking about the economy constantly (post after post) thinks in terms of the government and tax revenue.

May G-d help this country.

143 posted on 04/21/2003 3:51:13 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: 1stFreedom
You are funny. I will inherit more than any CEO in this country could ever make. I am not jealous at all. Just sick of the scum who think they put their pants on differently than the rest thinking that their money makes them special.
144 posted on 04/21/2003 3:52:59 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: samuel_adams_us
Read a book. I tried to make you stop and think. I failed. Let someone else help you. Remarks such as this:

MBA's will be replaced here soon also, why have a manager when you have no employees?

are not deserved of an answer. None will follow.

145 posted on 04/21/2003 3:53:12 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
And if the guy in Ahmedabad is getting, say, $2/hour? Should he offer $1.50/hour?

No, he should try to find an alternative employment. I have pointed that out in the previous post (see Investment in education)

146 posted on 04/21/2003 3:54:19 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
If you indeed grew up there, you'll have to spend years of active reeducation before you come to a clean slate, just to undo damage.

"Active reeducation"!? You sound like politruk from Stalin's time. For your information years ago as a reaction to the Soviet doctrine I also believed in free market ideology. Now I see that they both share a lot of in common.

147 posted on 04/21/2003 3:54:20 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: TopQuark
If the government can't get the tax revenue from your income they will take it somewhere else. They are not shrinking these days you idiot, they are getting bigger which means someone has to pay their way.
148 posted on 04/21/2003 3:54:28 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: 1stFreedom
CEOs and executives are not overpaid.

This is a common complaint of those who WISH they could make the money these people do.

How much money has your thought-reading business made?

Now, seriously, I don't mind CEOs getting highly paid, provided they actually do a good job. What I see is companies which lose money, whose revenue declines and yet they give their CEO a raise. How does that contribute to our competitiveness?

149 posted on 04/21/2003 3:54:28 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz
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To: samuel_adams_us
I guess you forget who owns and runs this country. It's not the working poor, it's the rich. It always has been and always will be.

If this is not a commie propaganda, I do not know what is.

Go crawl back to your DU den.

150 posted on 04/21/2003 3:55:48 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
The reason no answer will follow is because without workers there is no need for managers. Business is common sense, not rocket science. If it were rocket science Bill Gates would have an MBA.
151 posted on 04/21/2003 3:56:05 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: samuel_adams_us
>>You are funny. I will inherit more than any CEO in this country could ever make. I am not jealous at all. Just sick of the scum who think they put their pants on differently than the rest thinking that their money makes them special.

Hmm, it seems that you have this same attitude: >>thinking that their money makes them special.

Since you have this kind of money, then you must think that these people don't deserve it. And because you have this kind of money, how does that make you the spokesperson against executive compensation. That sounds very elitist.

I believe that money affect all who earn a great deal of it. Many get God complexes. Some get elitist and become activists whom decry getting rich. It does all sorts of things to people.

Finally, at least these people worked their way up an earned it. That's far more then I can say for inheriting it.
152 posted on 04/21/2003 3:56:50 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: TopQuark
This proves you have no idea of what goes on. There is a group called the Forbes 400, among those 400 people are those who control the politicians and the money flow in this country and around the world. You work for someone on that list, they don't work for you.
153 posted on 04/21/2003 3:58:36 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: TopQuark
Many people who have earned MBA's in the past two years CANNOT FIND A JOB.

But that's not to say their jobs have been outsourced. Middle management has been suffing severe cuts over the last two years.

154 posted on 04/21/2003 3:58:38 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
You are right, not because they were outsourced, because their isn't a need for their services as they have outsourced the employees they would have managed.
155 posted on 04/21/2003 4:01:01 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: 1stFreedom
How do you propose to stop this outsourcing problem?

Tax it? That's a good die hard conservative solution.

I've been in IT since the days it was DP and the problem is oversupply. It was a hot field in the late 90s and a lot of people got into it that should never had been there. They were clods, stupid and made huge bucks. They had no talent for the field, they were simply a warm body.

When I was last shopping for insurance three of the four agents I spoke to were ex-IT "wizards" that thought an Excel macro was programming. No offense to insurance agents, these guys weren't even good at that and they'll eventually end up where they fit best.

They'll end up there all on their own, no stopping it, no help from the gubberment.

As for outsourcing for every success story you'll find a dozen horror stories; being ripped off, terrible code that couldn't be maintained or cost a fortune to fix, seriously overdue projects, the usual.

The solution is painful, but it's the only solution that works when there's oversupply, let it burn out and things will eventually shake out.

Attempting to jack around with the free market, such as propping it up by "stopping it" will simply result in a Japan like situtation where the pain lingers on for decades.
156 posted on 04/21/2003 4:01:05 PM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: sharktrager
I was wondering when those union 'thugs' were going to get a hit.

The American worker is overpriced yes. It is really hard for someone who is taxed to the gills to compete with children in a third world country. I will agree. Now all we Americans have to do is be content to live in mud hut and work for peanuts and we will do fine.

There is no way this came about naturally. It was aided and abetted by our very government. Was it all Republicans fault, of course not. Are Republicans doing anything about it? Well, yes more of the same and keeping the borders open so what jobs we still have are being taken by illegals that we taxpayers are having to support.

157 posted on 04/21/2003 4:02:04 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Proud_texan
Thank you, Texan, for injecting sanity into this thread. I have no idea why these people call themselves conservatives: the country is owned by the rich; the gov't is a cure for all illnesses; and, if not, they will not vote for Bush.

As I said earlier, with conservatives like this, G-d help this country.

158 posted on 04/21/2003 4:05:02 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Name a company who you work for and I will show a rich person who tells you what to do for a living. I bet he tells your senator how to vote also, wanna bet?
159 posted on 04/21/2003 4:06:15 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: TopQuark
I bet you think the United States owns the federal reserve bank also right?
160 posted on 04/21/2003 4:06:53 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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