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The Two Cultures ( Fred )
www.fredoneverything.net ^ | 4/21/2003 | Fred Reed

Posted on 04/20/2003 10:31:17 PM PDT by chasio649

I spoke recently to a gentleman, now getting on in years, who spent a career in the slum schools of a big American city. He was bright, tough, and realistic, one of the very few gringos hereabout who speaks good Spanish. Though white, he had also grown up in a housing project and so knew well the culture of the bottom of society.

Most of what he said of his experience tracked with the descriptions of slum schools that are found everywhere-dropout rates in excess of fifty percent, unconcerned parents, the usual. We need not recapitulate them here.

He made the interesting point that most education has no purpose other than to prepare the student for further education. Algebra in high school, for example, readies the student for the study of chemistry in college, but is otherwise useless, as one never uses algebra in daily life. Other examples may easily be imagined. Roman history has no relevance to anything that a black teenager in downtown Chicago may do in life; it does however prepare one for the study of further Roman history and of Shakespeare, which also have nothing to do with the teenager's future life.

He thought that instead of academic subjects, students should be taught to read, do arithmetic, balance checkbooks, be good parents, take out a mortgage, care for their health, and suchlike practical matters.

He had a point. The majority of students don't need to know history, mathematics, physics, or literature, do not want to know them, and in fact do not know them. Few are interested. Most children of the urban slums, if one can believe the studies, will pass their entire lives without reading a book. Why try to teach them what, for them, are hideously boring subjects they won't learn, and in any event will never think of again?

Why indeed? Much of the public, probably a majority, lacks either the capacity or the interest required for an academic education. Nor do they need the knowledge conveyed by a liberal studies. They do not need to know how to write clearly, since they never will. Virtually everything they learn after graduation will come either through television or conversation. An eighth-grade vocabulary suffices. They don't need to know the multiplication tables since, on rare occasions when they need to know the product of two numbers, a calculator will serve.

In fact they do not know these things. It is well documented that the schools teach little. Poll after study after test shows that astonishing majorities of Americans cannot find England on an outline map, place the Civil War in the correct century, name the major countries involved in WWI, or recognize the Bill of Rights. Poor teaching and dumbing-down account for some of this dark night of the mind. A lot, I think, springs from trying to teach people what they don't want to know.

Why waste their time and the public monies?

All of this strikes me as reasonable. Yet I find myself becoming annoyed when I think about it. I come from the minority culture that does not regard education as preparation for watching television and punching a time-clock. I saw algebra as worth learning because, yes, it was necessary for chemistry and calculus later-but also because it was just plain interesting, and further because it is an important element in the intellectual development of mankind. I'm glad I studied it. Later in life, when for mysterious reasons I became interested in differential geometry and classical mechanics, a fluency in algebra and calculus allowed me to read them.

For some, reasons exist for learning things beyond tying one's shoes and reading traffic signs. People who do not know history live in temporal isolation; those who do not read literature, in a small mental world.

The gentleman from the big city saw no purpose in diagramming sentences. For his students, no. But for others, there is a purpose: Those who do not understand the mechanics of their language cannot appreciate such writers as Spenser and Milton and T.S. Eliot, as Twain and Mencken and Milne. Writing is an art as well as a means of communication. Art means imagination within rules. You have to know the rules.

Nor are the grammatically inept at all likely to be able to learn to read or speak another language. The reason is less that they have no idea what an indirect object or past subjunctive is than that they are incapable of seeing the language apart from its content.

It is true, as the gentleman suggested, that most people have no interest in languages or literature. But I do. So do countless others from cultivated families. How do we reconcile the existence of the two cultures? Of people who want from the schools things almost diametrically opposed?

The beginning of wisdom would be to recognize that there are two cultures, and to let each study what it chooses. No?

I should not be allowed to impose algebra on people who will never do more than count on their fingers; they should not be allowed to enstupidate the schools to which I send my daughters. (Yes, they may be intelligent. But they are an enstupidating influence to the extent that they are uninterested.) As far as I am concerned, the lower classes (which is largely what we're talking about) can study anything they want, or nothing at all. I don't care. It's their choice. But leave my schools, my language, and my civilization alone.

I'm not being heartless. Should the intellectually uninspired ask my advice, I would happily give it. If they wanted to study Sophocles or digital design, or bird-watching or golf-ball repair, I'd be delighted to supply the teachers. Anyone from any class with the ability and desire should be encouraged to learn. Vocational training should be available for those who want it. But if people choose not to study, I don't care.

Why require anything of them beyond basic literacy and let them out after the eighth grade? They aren't going to learn anything else anyway. (Again, this is documented reality.

For those who want an academic education, I say establish separate schools, and make attendance at all schools voluntary after the eighth grade. Those who wanted to learn nothing more would simply drop out, to the great benefit of serious students. The force of parental suasion would keep those students in attendance who ought to be in attendance.

Finally, decouple jobs from degrees. Hiring should be dependent on the results of a test, given by the prospective employer, of preparation for the particular job. This would empty the universities of students with no academic drive---a splendid idea.

How's that for PC?


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: atriskstudents; education

1 posted on 04/20/2003 10:31:17 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649
The beginning of wisdom would be to recognize that there are two cultures, and to let each study what it chooses. No?

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It's not just a matter of culture, it's a matter of capacity. Both capacity and incapacity create cultures.

2 posted on 04/20/2003 10:42:36 PM PDT by RLK
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To: chasio649
Completely defund public education tomorrow and those who want an education will find a way to be educated.

Increase school funding a thousandfold tomorrow and those who don't want to be educated won't be educated.

3 posted on 04/20/2003 10:53:55 PM PDT by umgud
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To: chasio649
Great article. I know that he is right about two school systems. The beauty of it is that the kids who choose to be educated will usually have parents paying taxes.

The left will whine about what you do with the second group. It's a good question without a simple answer. Sports, menial jobs, service to country, etc. It doesn't really work. Crime will skyrocket and jail population will too.

My view is that the second group will eventually dwindle in size (perhaps only 25% rather than 50% at the beginning) as the effect of being stupid is demonstrated, and more choose to be in the first group.

The key will be having enough capacity to accept the kids in the second group after they get the message. Remedial schools, then community college, and many will choose to be members of the first class in the end.
4 posted on 04/20/2003 11:15:17 PM PDT by RandyRep
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To: chasio649
For those who want an academic education, I say establish separate schools, and make attendance at all schools voluntary after the eighth grade. Those who wanted to learn nothing more would simply drop out, to the great benefit of serious students. The force of parental suasion would keep those students in attendance who ought to be in attendance.

Sounds good to me!! The only catch is that we would also have to reform our welfare laws. Those who chose the "eighth-grade-only" route would also have to give up any future claim to any form of public assistance. Otherwise, we all know what would happen: those who chose the easy/lazy path would find themselves "poor" and not doing as well as all the educated folks living out in the suburbs.

The end-result would be that the educated folks would wind up paying the living expenses of the uneducated (because, we would be told, the uneducated are "disadvantaged"). The socialists (ie. Democrats) would turn it into a class-warfare political issue to seize more power for themselves. Eventually, more and more people would realize that they could skate through school, learn nothing, do nothing - and "the man" will pay all of their bills. All they would have to do in order to keep the gravy train rolling their way would be to keep voting for liberal Democrats.

Over time, taxes would have to increase drasctically to accomodate the ever-growing numbers who chose to take the "easy route". Eventually, the ever-shrinking group of people doing all the real work and paying all the taxes would revolt, and refuse to pay anymore. Then, the class war would turn into a REAL civil war, and that would be the end!! I sometimes wonder if this is not what is REALLY happening to our society anyway!!

Either way, I agree that all of what he says in his article sounds good on the surface, but there are too many power-hungry liberals out there who would exploit the class-warfare aspects of this for their own personal gain. Therefore, without REAL welfare reform first, I don't know how it could work (unless of course, the people who chose the "easy route" also had to agree to give up their right to vote, but we all know THAT would not fly either!!).
5 posted on 04/20/2003 11:37:01 PM PDT by Zetman
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To: Zetman
quit depressing me with your logic! ;)
6 posted on 04/20/2003 11:41:49 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649
Nice Article! Bump!
7 posted on 04/20/2003 11:45:54 PM PDT by MrJingles (Clones are people, two.)
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To: chasio649
I could accept a system like this on one condition: That those who opt for a non-education give up the right to vote. Otherwise, it would doom America as a constitutional republic.
8 posted on 04/21/2003 12:09:43 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Horry County Chairman, Republicans for Sharpton)
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To: chasio649
I say establish separate schools, and make attendance at all schools voluntary after the eighth grade.

Ummmmmmm.
Wouldn't that just increase dramatically the number of professional pets... errrr.. welfare recipients?

9 posted on 04/21/2003 12:12:08 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: chasio649
quit depressing me with your logic! ;)

Sorry!!
10 posted on 04/21/2003 12:12:31 AM PDT by Zetman
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To: chasio649
This article reeks of the sort of class mentality that gave rise to public education in the first place. The idea that the majority of people should only be taught what is necessary for them to get by at the most basic level is not too far removed from the original Prussian model of using public education to groom a class of people destined for a life of service to the state.

We should either see public education as an (admittedly utopian) idea of pursuing excellence, or get rid of it all together.

11 posted on 04/21/2003 1:24:03 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const vector<tag>& theTags)
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To: Slings and Arrows
John Stuart Mill once asked why, if the goal is a populace educated to meet some definable standard, we don't simply test children on the required knowledge at some statutory age, and then fine the parents of those that fail? That would be a much more direct and reliable way of determining whether we'd reached the desired result than the "twelve-year sentence." Nor would it carry the huge costs and perverse incentives mandated by a government-run school system.

With regard to the electoral franchise, the vote really can't be used responsibly or intelligently by a person with no knowledge of history and no training in rational thought. Which explains a lot about twentieth century election results, when you think about it.

Still, privatizing the educational system is the right way to go. But it won't be easy: it's defended by one of the most powerful lobbies the world has ever known, and its members are very well motivated!

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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12 posted on 04/21/2003 6:08:20 AM PDT by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: chasio649
Schools have traditionally served a major purpose beyond providing a career or satisfying a student's curiosity. They served as a transmission belt for a society's culture. Since the revolution of the 1960's and the adoption of multi-culturalism as a basic tenet of the new regime, the U.S. has no culture to pass on. To crib from Gertrude Stein, there is no WE there. Indeed, the very idea that the schools should impose a culture (more accurately, that they should impose Western culture) on their increasingly diverse students is abhorrent to them. This is one of the chief reasons for the aimlessness of American education. The disintegration of American education is merely a by-product of the disintegration of traditional American society, and articles like the one above are designed to tap-dance around the consequences of this larger disintegration.
13 posted on 04/21/2003 8:31:23 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: chasio649
This is the first time I have ever disagreed with Fred. I used my high school algebra often in life. It was a valuable tool.
14 posted on 04/21/2003 6:58:13 PM PDT by gcruse (Saddam's last words. "I can see them. I can see 72.................VIRGILS???!!!?!?!")
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