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The FBI lied to the American public when it denied using pyrotechnic devices

At WORST an oversight.

SINCE this pyrotechnice device was fired AWAY from the wooden building there was no harm - NO FOUL.

Thanks, but no thanks for your - and michael "TRAITOR" (he was banned from this board don't you know) rivero for this misleading presentation of legitimate information ...

And THANKS for allowing me to slam rivero once again ...

"SINCE this pyrotechnice device was fired AWAY from the wooden building there was no harm - NO FOUL."

Dallas Morning News 3/9/00 Lee Hancock "…..The Branch Davidians' Wednesday pleading also argued that another FBI agent's recent deposition supported the sect's contention that the government's actions could have sparked some of the fires. Plaintiff's attorneys said that a hostage rescue team member testified last week that his armored vehicle and another Bradley fighting vehicle were each stocked with 10 pyrotechnic military gas rounds that day. Agents in the vehicles repeatedly fired tear gas canisters at the compound during the final assault…….. But Wednesday's motion by the sect's lawyers noted that the hostage rescue team member testified that he heard a colleague tell an FBI lawyer earlier this year that he had fired three rounds into the kitchen of the compound just before the building caught fire. The HRT member testified that his colleague also told the lawyer with the FBI's Congressional Affairs Office that he saw puffs of white smoke rise from that same area about 30 seconds after he fired. Military gas rounds used by the FBI burn for about 20 to 30 seconds after being fired to expel tear gas in a cloud of white smoke. ……"

Refuting _Jim's postings with facts!

"With the intent being to 'flush' the people from the compound - woman hopefully shielding their children from the gas - was this not a half-bad plan? ."

WorldNetDaily.com 2/26/00 David Bresnahan "…… "They used 48 hours worth of gas in about three hours," Brannon said. He wants to question Reno about what happened and what went wrong. "They didn't have any difficulty saying we're going to try it this way for 48 hours. All of them knew they were going to be squirting it on little children for 48 hours. They had a gas expert, and he said 'oh, it's not going to hurt them.' But that was on the theory that it wouldn't give them (the children) permanent damage if they did it over 48 hours. He didn't say anything about what would happen if a few hours after they start they shoot every bit of gas in there -- 48 hours worth in three hours. As far as we know, he didn't express any opinions that that kind of dosage would be inconsequential as far as children were concerned," explained Brannon. "But all that comes down to: Is it okay to torture them for three hours? Is it okay to torture them for 48 hours? I don't think it's okay to torture them for one minute," said Brannon. ......"

Refuting _Jim's postings with facts!

"WHY oh WHY did the Davidians resist a lawful order and allow law enforcement officers to proceed with the carrying out a lawful order? i>

Newsmax Paul Craig Roberts 9/1/99 "…If Smith permits the evidence to be used in the wrongful death suits brought by relatives of the Waco dead against the federal government, we might eventually find out what really happened. If the meantime readers have asked why federal agents would have killed so many people. The answer might be as follows: For budgetary and public relations reasons, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms needed a PR gimmick. The Branch Davidians were an odd-ball religious group living in a compound, about whom rumors could be spread. One rumor was illegal weapons. Another was child abuse. The ATF obtained a warrant, but instead of knocking on the door and serving it, the agency staged a paramilitary armed attack with TV cameras in tow. The ATF intended to show that it had captured a dangerous group that was armed to the teeth. Thus would the agency endear itself to the public and lawmakers. Instead, the attack was beaten off, with deaths on both sides. The ATF's actions were illegal. (A jury refused to convict the surviving Davidians of homicide.) To cover up the federal agency's abusive use of force, the U.S. Justice Department used the deaths of the ATF agents to bring in the FBI. The FBI, having branched out into counter-terrorism, has a militarized or semi-militarized unit that was itching to try out its new aggressive techniques and show what it could do. This unit got out of control, and the Branch Davidians were gratuitously killed……"