Fed's attack Texas church and burn it to the ground.....

PBS - WGBH/Frontline ^ | 1995 | PBS

[ASTM366]

As I do each year, I post information to commemorate the attack by FBI agents in military vehicles on the Branch Davidians compound near Waco, Texas on April 19, 1993.

The Branch Davidians, a reclusive group of Christian believers, had been attacked 51 days earlier by over 100 heavily armed BATF agents, surrounded and subjected to psychological warfare techniques by government agents. On April 19th the feds sent in military vehicles to fill the building at the Branch Davidian compound with chemical agents to flush out the remaining occupants. What resulted was a fire that burned to death nearly all the occupants; INNOCENT men, women, children and infants. Some committed suicide by self inflicted gunshot.

To this day the federal government has never accepted responsibility for the events of 1993, nor have they apologized for their ugly and glaring display of unchecked power.

In a tragic and spectacular act of revenge, Timothy McVeigh and his associates carbombed the offices of the BATF and FBI in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.

[FirstTomato]

Illegal weapons?

You obviously don't believe what the 2nd Amendment says.

And what crime are you proposing that the Davidians committed with those weapons that would prompt such a militaristic attack by Feds?

I know of no crimes by these Church people that would excuse our government in waging seige over them, and finally murdering them in an all-out assault, then covering the whole thing up.

Why some of you are determined to excuse the government is incredible. Because my friend, if you think you are safe, you are WRONG. No matter what your ideology, you are NOT safe as long as our government is allowed to attack their citizens with impunity, like happened at Waco.

[CyberAnt]

Well ... I'm basing my knowledge on a relative who got involved with the Mormons. She is no longer involved. Of course, she was not with them that long, but I never saw any group concerted effort to keep her within the organization. And ... I lived just a few doors from her at the time. I ended up a few years later leading her to the Lord. It was a great day!

[_Jim]

Waco was nothing short of criminal. Nothing justifies the slaughter of innocent women and children.

Huh?

Where have you been?

Are you TOTALLY UNAWARES of the commitment Koresh made to DEATH in this Armageddon event?

It would seem so - simply reading your post.

When the fires were lit by the Davidians it was THEN that the blodd of the women and children were on thje HANDS of "David Death'.

Didn't you see the ABC special with Charlie Gibson the other night - and see the scene filmed just after the kids were brought together and they were singing a song?

THE CHILDREN SANG WHAT WOULD BEST BE DESCRIBED AS A DEATH SONG.

WHERE on God's green earth do you SUPPOSE they learned that?

Could it have been Koresh's "Happy Land" within the compound (when the kid's *weren't* getting their bottoms beaten bloody - yes BLOODY!)?

[skinkinthegrass]

Janet Reno has some 'splainin' to do, about Waco.

No, She doesn't...Janet (Nazi) Reno...She did it, "for the Children"...just followin' her orders...Shillary's.

[_Jim]

     Howell was itching to put his apocalyptic vision into motion, and the FBI and BATF, stupidly, gave it to him.

I suppose that's a good way to put it.

[_Jim]

Was that before or after the law-enforcement entered the premises?

WHERE, exactly, was this 'entry' made?

It *sure* wasn't the front door - or are you making stuff up now?

[_Jim]

     Howell wasn't a menace to society;

Well - he was going to sleep with the wrong man's 10 year old daughter (I *saw* the ABC special with Charlie Gibsonb the other night) at some point -

- maybe that's why Vernon Wayne "RAPIST" Howell was heavily into firarems ...

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Your church talks about guns all the time? How about some of it?

[the_daug]

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/coxnet/branchdavidian/0406_children.html

from above link.

One of 21 children released during the standoff, Kevin Jones has had 10 years to ponder why it all happened. He isn't much closer to an answer. He just keeps replaying the same loop of questions in his head - why, for example, the government didn't just arrest Koresh on one of his frequent trips to nearby Waco.

"After they did it, I was thinking, 'Why are they doing it?'" he says. "They were killing my family, my friends. I didn't know why they came out there and started

I watched on TV what BATF did Feb 28 1993. They could have got him in town or along the road. It was a show that BATF put on. Your assertion that Vernon Howell could not have been apprehended in town is false. I was working at Grossbeck, TX doing utitility work. Linemen who maintained the power for Mt. Carmel told me that, Vernon Howell often left there and would jog on the county road. It was showtime.

[Cultural Jihad]

Give it a rest. Al Capone was all in favor of a smaller government, too, but we don't confer upon him the mantle of conservatism on that account.

[ASTM366]

With all the "experience" that the BATF had in the field on February 28, 1993 why did things go so badly?

Can you really defend the actions of the BATF on that day with a straight face?

Would you have opened fire on a home and church building on a Sunday morning knowing damn well that it was occupied by unarmed women, children and infants (the gun-happy head cases)?

[sinkspur]

Well - he was going to sleep with the wrong man's 10 year old daughter (I *saw* the ABC special with Charlie Gibsonb the other night) at some point -

It's a local matter, Jim. There was no reason for the BATF to be involved.

Child abuse is a state matter.

Hey, you know very well that I think Howell was a cretin. He used people, he lied to them, he took advantage of, and raped, children.

Call the cops, not the FBI.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

In the nation where every man is an island, no one is free from the warlords.

[THUNDER ROAD]

SINCE this pyrotechnice device was fired
AWAY from the wooden building there was
no harm - NO FOUL.

So you say...... I'm Beginning to Wonder about
you ........JIM........

.......THUNDER.........

[FirstTomato]

I know the training they receive and I don't for one instant believe the feds shot first.

So you think cops and Feds never act rashly, with malice, or make mistakes?????

You are in denial.

There are numerous instances of cops and feds and even military men, "well trained", who broke the law and/or who made horrible mistakes.

The government attacked American citizens at Waco and Ruby Ridge, the MOVE seige, etc. etc. etc. Heck, in Philadelphia, Mayor Goode authorized the police to drop bombs on a residential American neighborhood!

Government abuse happens.

[unixfox]

Better to try to forgive and forget and not become bitter.

Try saying that to our founding fathers, of which many lost everything they owned just so that we could become a FREE country.

[Cultural Jihad]

Heck, in Philadelphia, Mayor Goode authorized the police to drop bombs on a residential American neighborhood!

"Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!"

[Chancellor Palpatine]

They had 51 days to come out. The "men" (and I us the term loosely) refused, and like the Saddam Fedayeen, they kept the human shields around for their own protection.

The blood is on those pathetic excuses for men that took their women and children to death.

Besides, whats it matter to you? You a Davidian or prone to following cults?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

They do manage to all sound alike and trumpet the same trash, don't they?

[HiTech RedNeck]

Supercat asks two sets of specific questions. You just evade with comments about things that weren't ever challenged in the first place. It is not a game where one party is adjudged to have completely clean hands and the other completely dirty though that's how you seem to be treating it.