The world according to Bush [Wanker Alert]

The Boston Globe ^ | 4-19-03 | By William P. Pfaff

[slowhandluke]

RE: justification is the possession of WMD

I thought the justification was Saddams
refusal to come clean, and allow full inspections.
We're just using M1A1s instead of landrovers
to carry the inspectors, who are Marines and
not Hans Blix & crew.

Emptying the torture cells is sufficient
justification for me, even if arrived at
after the fact. There's no Miranda in
effect herre. There's no such thing as 'tainted
evidence', or evidence without proper search warrant
in international law.

[Maceman]

Whaddya mean legal? Who has jurisdiction? What is the difference between what we did in Iraq and what we did in Afghanistan from a legal point of view?

Bush has said that we will not differentiate between terrorists and the governments that harbor and support them. Clearly, Saddam's regime was guilty of both actions.

And if this war is "illegal" (whatever that means), where is the court of jurisdiction in which anyone could seek a legal remedy?

The concept of this war being illegal is absurd.

[Search4Truth]

(YAWN)

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

Because we have not found WMD's, nor announced it if we have found them, is not proof that they do not exist.

Of course. And because there is not proof YET that Miss Marple is a vicious mass murderer it does not mean that she is not. She should report to the nearest detention center immediately.

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

The "legal" justification was Iraq's failure to comply with various UN resolutions regarding disarmament (among other things.)

Wrong. Iraq did comply and stated it had no WMD. Bush said that Iraq had to be invaded because it refused to show its WMD's.

It's like sending Miss Marple to the electric chair becuase she refuses to tell the police where she is hiding the bodies of her victims.

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

Whaddya mean legal? Who has jurisdiction? What is the difference between what we did in Iraq and what we did in Afghanistan from a legal point of view?

Afghanistan refused to turn over AlQuaeda. We did have a 'casus beli' in that case.

In the case of Iraq, Bush claimed that he was enforcing UN resolutions. The invasion was not justified by the existence of torture cells, the toleration of polygamy and prosecution of homosexuals, lack of a multi-party system or cruelty to animals. Bush said he invaded Iraq because it refused to give up its weapons of mass destruction which Bush knew for a fact that Iraq had.

Bush either lied or he was lied to or we would have seen those WMDs already. (Those who knew that Iraq had WMDs, clearly knew WHERE they were located too, don't you think? Or they didn't know but they lied.)

[Diogenesis]

Are you blind?

========= IRAQI MISSILES AND WMD =========

========= Chemical Warhead found in Kirkuk =============

Chemical warhead at an Iraqi air base, marked with a green band,
the symbol for chemical weaponry. Trace amounts of a nerve agent was found
in two spots on the ~meter long warhead. The amounts could be consistent with
leakage from a chemically armed weapon. A 13-foot missile was found next
to it.

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In Kerbala, found in an Iraqi military training camp are
banned chemical agents similar to pesticides.
Initial investigations reveal sarin and tabun and the blister agent lewisite.
Non. Mais non? Could that be French on the containers?

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========= IRAQI MISSILES [So many missed by the Klowns) =========

In central Baghdad, Iraqi missiles are found everywhere.

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Near Baghdad, US military found and tows an Iraqi missile.

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Near Baghdad, at a weapons development facility, another Iraqi missile.

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In Baghdad, captured Iraqi Scud missiles at the the University of Baghdad.

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In and near Baghdad, more abandoned trailors loaded with Iraqi al-Samoud 2 missiles.

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In Kerbala, even more Iraqi missiles found.

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[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

What do those pictures show? Your local junk yard?

Okay, they show that Iraq DID have lots of rusty barrels, a bunch of 'rockets' that our idiot media kept calling 'SCUDS', even though they weren't but... where are the WMDs?

As you VERY WELL KNOW, any time the military is asked that question, their answer is 'haven't found any yet' so... your pictures mean absolutely nothing.

[Miss Marple]

By terms of the agreement at the end of the Gulf War, inspectors were to verify the destruction of all chemical and biological agents and all missiles that were capable of a certain range. This was not done. Iraq refused to do so.

I suppose you think that Bush, Cheney, Powell, and Rumsfeld are all liars or dupes.

Once again, you are revealing your true intentions, and they are NOT conservative, nor are they in agreement with those of us who believe in the defense of this nation.

And just because YOU don't recognize an al Samoud missile (prohibited under the agreement of 1991) doesn't mean that the identification is faulty.

[Diogenesis]

They are what they are... as are you. Transparent.

[Maceman]

In the case of Iraq, Bush claimed that he was enforcing UN resolutions.

He did not claim that exclusively, although that was a point that he always mentioned in public statements.

And don't forget that Powell cited evidence of Iraqi support for terrorists when he made his address to the UN.

I agree that the invasion was not justified by the existence of torture cells, the toleration of polygamy and prosecution of homosexuals, lack of a multi-party system or cruelty to animals. If it was, we would be justified in invading Cuba.

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

The alleged existence of WMD in Iraq was the only legal cover for the invasion. Bush was going to disarm Iraq 'with or without the UN'. He was going to enforce UN's will even if UN didn't seem too keen to have it enforced.

We are in Iraq now and no WMD's have been found. Even if some WMD evidence is found tomorrow it will be clear that W did NOT have any evidence of their existence when the ivasion started. If WMD's are not found at all, then we will be viewed as an aggressor power, not unlike Iraq's invading Kuwait because Saddam 'knew' that Kuwait was stealing Iraqi's oil.

[eaglebeak]

Here's the next step:

Pentagon Expects Long-Term Access to Key Bases in Iraq

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/896410/posts

[Dark Knight]

I was under the impression that full compliance with all treaties (by a particular date) or war was the ultimatum.

1. Oil to Syria for money was a violation
2. Military weapons import ban was a joke.
3. The weapons inspectors were a joke. Admitted bribery, sloth, etc.
4. Tons of various kinds of WMD (anthrax, VX, etc.)required a detailed accounting for their destruction. Instead, they miraculously ceased to exist.
5. The UN was skimming money from the oil for food program.

Those are enough reasons for case of invasion to most. The regime's evil nature and attempt to be in the same circle as Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot is just gravy. That in itself should give a "Who cares?" about single reasons why we invaded. The reasons are too numerous to consider.

DK

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

A Vast LeftWing Conspirator

[lindagirl]

Ditto!!

THIS ARTIFACT THING (DON'T YA SEE)....
It is really funny,
1. They don't know what is missing,(lost the paperwork don't ya see).......
2. They don't know how it became missing, (was in locked vaults don't ya see)......

3. But they are really sure that it is the AMERICANS FAULT don't ya see...

[Maceman]

I still don't get what you mean by your use of the word ";ega;." There are laws in the US, and if I break them either civilly or criminally, I get hauled before the federal or state court of appropriate jurisdiction, which is in a position to enforce its verdict.

I am not aware of any international court that has any jurisdiction whatsoever, nor any body of law that supercedes the sovereignty of the United States, such that we would require any authority's permission before we could take military action to defend what we see as out own national security.

Moreover, in point of fact, the fact that we have not yet found WMD -- not that it is relevant -- is not proof that we had no evidence of their existence. Saddam had many months to hide stuff while we screwed around with the UN, and we have thousands of sites to visit.

I think we need to throw you out of the vast right wing conspiracy with an attitude like yours.

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

I think we need to throw you out of the vast right wing conspiracy with an attitude like yours.

WE?????

What's happening friend? Can't stand on your own legs? Can't think with your own brains?

LOL

[Maceman]

WE????? What's happening friend? Can't stand on your own legs?

Well, it IS a conspiracy, after all.

[verity]

Are you really Tim Robbins?