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The frog that roared
TownHall.com ^ | 4/19/03 | Mark Alexander

Posted on 04/19/2003 2:04:08 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: kattracks
"U.S. closed the spigot on an oil pipeline from Iraq"

And didn't Syria scream like a cat that got its tail crushed?
21 posted on 04/19/2003 11:16:06 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Minty
Nice article, which made me wonder, whyis it that we are not seeing more pictures of the things that have been found, like the terrorist training camps, the airplane used to train them and stuff like that. I think that people need visuals or it will be a weakpoint that the dems will exploit.

I have been screaming at the TV screen for weeks now asking the same question.
The answer is simple. The administration is whistling past the graveyard, and hoping time and space will be arrested and the logical consequence never noticed by anyone.
Let me explain.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, Iraq has gone from Stone Age barbarism, rule by terror and politics by disappearance firmly embedded in the culture, to demonstrations against the U.S. liberators demanding their "rights", without a decent interval of civilization.
This patently won't work; can't work.

This will be followed shortly by overwhelming, violent and murderous demonstration throughout the muslim "world". The "mother's milk" of muslim (arab) culture.

This will be accompanied by internecine murder on a continuing basis, for which all armies are ill equipped.
Impossible to put down without significant loss of life.
Kill them now or kill them later.
Or go home and wonder what happened.

How else to fight a society in which the first approach is always to eliminate (physically) the enemy?

Topping all these points is the 800-pound gorilla in the Drawing Room that our administration and our experts continue to ignore:

The extremist violent and intractable "muslims" are not a tiny minority; They are a distinct majority, at least functionally. No evidence of an effective counterweight can be seen. The occasional group of children waving and smiling at our troops is a pathetic counterweight to the tens of thousands of angry spittle-spewing hateful neanderthals, who will equally shoot a rival on the road or at the "suit and tie" nation-building symposium.

To state it as briefly as possible, Islam sucks. And no suggestion will animate the mobs more readily than the suggestion that religion have no part in the center of power in the "new" Iraq.

Unfortunately, that is the one hope at success: to emulate the grand dream of Ataturk, and forge a religion-free Iraq.
Islam is a potentially useful servant and a terrible sadistic master. Again unfortunately, that 800-pound gorilla is not likely to "go quietly into that good night..."

22 posted on 04/19/2003 11:52:17 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Speaking of "terrorism," there have been numerous discoveries in Iraq to support the terrorism element of the "nexus" between weapons of mass destruction and Jihadis as premier delivery and dispersal systems. And another "smoking gun" was found in Baghdad Tuesday. U.S. Special Forces captured long-sought terrorist Abu Abbas, who led the hijacking of the Achille Lauro cruise ship in 1985 and murdered elderly disabled American passenger Leon Klinghoffer.

Of course, Abu Abbas is only the latest of the terrorist smoking guns. In addition to reams of evidence linking Iraqi intelligence to al-Qa'ida discovered in the last month, last August The Federalist reported that Abu Nidal, a leading Jihadistan mastermind responsible for three decades of murder and mayhem, was found dead in Baghdad. Nidal headed the Fatah-Revolutionary Council, which is culpable for hundreds of terrorist attacks and murders.

Excellent news!

23 posted on 04/19/2003 12:15:05 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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BUMP!
24 posted on 04/19/2003 12:34:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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Does illbay know that you have dared to call any muslim capable of violence?
25 posted on 04/19/2003 12:38:17 PM PDT by flyer182
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To: Publius6961
I do agree that their culture and way of thinking is in the dark ages. For instance their concept of justice to us is barbaric and those differences are abysmal. But.... but.... there is one thing that they can learn and we have shown to have the means to teach and it is brute force reaction. It is risky, but effective for this kind of mentality and situation, only if the person carries it to the last consequences. Regardless of what we do or don't do, this problem is not going to dissipate. It has set itself on a head collusion course against us before 9/11.

After 9/11 it has come to depend on us, but only in what we allow it to inflict on us. Its either we face it now, or our future generations will have to face after living under its shadow of terror.

It is simple. They came and kicked a hornet’s nest. We cannot go and do the same because if we do it, we lose. We have to go and squash the nest with the hornets inside and in such a way that if one escapes that thing will fly as far away as possible from any other nest. That may be drastic but is merciful because it cuts it off and saves lives. If I can understand that, a midlife housewife, mother of three, who cleans the house and bake the cookies any one can see it. But they need to be shown the facts.

Maybe they are up to carry it to its end. We are so close to make it ...

26 posted on 04/19/2003 12:41:05 PM PDT by Minty
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To: kattracks
BUMP!
27 posted on 04/19/2003 12:44:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Publius6961
Happy Easter, Publius.
28 posted on 04/19/2003 12:47:09 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Minty
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I was hoping that you would have given equal time to the central question:

Why are all these telling discoveries not compiled and shown on both domestic and foreign television constantly?
The truth and reality trumps all propaganda, no matter how artfully woven,
It is free.
And it is there in mind-boggling abundance.

Why have we (our leaders) failed to exploit that treasure trove of ugly reality?
It seems that our leaders continue viewing what is happening worldwide through a (PC) straw.

29 posted on 04/19/2003 12:54:23 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: flyer182
Does illbay know that you have dared to call any muslim capable of violence?

I sent her 35c to call her mother, or anyone else who may care.

30 posted on 04/19/2003 12:57:07 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Happy Easter, Publius.

How uncivilized of me!

Happy Easter, dear, and all fellow Freepers.
Happy Easter also to all Muslim people of good will.

Logical final sentence censored to avoid disabling an otherwise noble sentiment...

31 posted on 04/19/2003 1:00:56 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Publius6961
Well, the way I think about it is that it is not easy. For example the case of Lacey Peterson just to mention the details and people shy from it. That is something that if possible one would prefer not to know.

War is a whole lot more gruesome, that is how they are won. The cultures on the Middle East have the stomach for that. You see when their policemen make their looters arrest that it is followed by a series of smacks on the head, I assume some kicking too, but they do not show it. We see that and say "Police brutality". The Iman or Ayatollah that was killed on site at the Mosque, it is reported that he was dismembered. They did it with their bare hands (well maybe a machete or two but you get my point).

I assume that our leaders knowing that we have the potential to become how you say, sick to our stomachs they are doing a balance trick much like walking on a tight rope, but on 9/12 it was not so. People got it and violence started to happen in here against the muslins sectors in certain cities. So I say they have to be careful or they can find themselves caught between 2 fires.

Do I agree with that? Not really. I think if the whole truth comes to surface, the Muslims will feel ashamed and the romantic aura of the “jihadistic” mentality will breake down. Right now, they remain the victims. Absurd as it is, they remain the victims because we have not allowed them to reap what they have sown. We have helped them by concealing their ways and reality. I believe that people in here can be shocked into reality and that is our only hope. Because if they see it as it is, then the public opinion will shift and these Muslims in our midst can be hold accountable for offering moral support and solidarity to a cause as that one is.

That requires a strong hand also on the sector in here that will try to take advantage of the polarization to push their agendas like Farrakhan and the white supremacists. They too need to be shamed with the truth of what they are promoting. The best resource America has is its people, I believe in them. I believe that people can handle and more then that, they need the truth, if they be given it they will surprise many.

Why is it that Fox News is so popular? It is not a phenomena, it is a reality that has gone ignored. People have common sense but sometimes our intelectual elites alienate themselves thinking that common Joe can not think.

Sorry if it takes me a little to answer I am writing while doing laundry and tending the kitchen and watching Fox :-)

32 posted on 04/19/2003 1:38:55 PM PDT by Minty
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To: Grampa Dave
The cowboy president's rush to war with too few forces and stretched supply lines bogging down in a quagmire of operational pause--

Everything I Learned From Leftist Media Is On Its Way To The Sewage Treatment Plant.

France, Germany, Russia and China opposed the war which reveals their complicity with the late Saddam Hussein.

Behold the UN, a nest of writhing maggots exposed when the garbage can is lifted away.

No role for collaborators in rebuilding Iraq.

Next time (North Korea, Iran, Syria, Cuba, etc.) save time: no detour through diplomacy--JDAM the snakehead; full speed ahead.

33 posted on 04/19/2003 4:23:53 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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