[wku man]

"I asked you to cite your source that supports your claim that God is against the AWB."

Please tell me you're not really that hopeless. I never said God was against the AWB. I said He's given us the right to defend ourselves, and the Founding Fathers, realizing that we need modern weapons of the day (that means Brown Bess muskets back then, M-16s or other military rifles today) in order to defend ourselves from those tyrants who would try to take our freedom. Read this over several times before you send your next post.

"You then did a wonderful impression of Bill Clinton by referring me first to the Constitution (which you later acknowledged was not a religious document) and then to the Declaration of Independence, which states that the Creator gives us rights."

Do they still teach reading in Maryland? I said 1)God gives us the right to defend ourselves, and 2) the Constitution guarantees that right. It is in the Declaration that it's acknowledged that our rights come from God, and that to protect those rights, which come from God, governments (our Constitution) are instituted among men. That means the right to protect ourselves and our freedom comes from God, and the Constitution backs up that God-given right.

Seriously, Trace, you need to have some basic knowledge of our government, it's founding documents, and the ability to reason and use logic in order to successfully participate in discussions here at FReep. This may not be the pace for you. I feel bad now, like I just kicked a puppy.

"Of course, the point you miss is that the Declaration of Independence does not mention gun rights. Therefore you have failed to connect the dots between "God" and RKBA."

First of all, it's not "God", it's just simply God. Do you have the right to decide where you live? Do you have the right to date whomever you choose? Do you have the right to work whatever job you decide to? Do you have the right to watch TV at night? Do you have the right to go with the Cabernet instead of the Schirazz? Yes, you do. Are these rights spelled out in the Declaration of Independance? Yes, they are, under the "right to pursue happiness". Did God grant you the right to the pursuit of happiness? Yes, He did. Was the Constitution written to protect those rights given to you by God? Yes, it was.

The right to defend oneself comes under the "light to life" clause. In order to guarantee our right to life was not infrigned by a tyrant who would take away our lives, our liberty and not let us pursue happiness, the Second Amendment was included as the last line of defense against such infringements. Therefore, the Founding Fathers institutionalized the right to defend ourselves, as granted by God, in the Second Amendment. Betcha never thought about it that way, huh? Seriously, I can't make it any more elementary than that...it's been a long time since I tried to write on a third grade level.

"You can make another attempt if you dare."

Are you a masochist, or just a glutton for punishment? Don't get combative now.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[Trace21230]

"I said He's given us the right to defend ourselves"

Yes, you did say this, and I'm still waiting for the proof which you have failed to provide. You're heavy on personal attacks, low on substance.

If you want to see what a good response to my question looks like, please see hobbes' intelligent, reasoned response to my queries on this thread.

"Do they still teach reading in Maryland? I said 1)God gives us the right to defend ourselves."

Again, I'm waiting for your evidence that God gives us the right to own assault weapons. Put up or shut up. An argument is out there, but you are either incapable or unwilling to persuasively articulate it.

"Are these rights spelled out in the Declaration of Independance? Yes, they are, under the "right to pursue happiness". Did God grant you the right to the pursuit of happiness? Yes, He did. Was the Constitution written to protect those rights given to you by God? Yes, it was."

This is priceless. Since you have failed to make a persuasive argument for your claim that assault weapons are somehow a "God-given" right under the Declaration of Independence (you changed your initial tune which chirped regarding the Constitution), you now wildly proclaim the old bumper sticker slogan "Happiness is a warm gun."

If you think self-defense falls under the penumbra of "pursuit of happiness," then there is a seat on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals waiting for you.

Just to memorialize your classless tactics in posting on what I regard to be the best bulletin board on the internet, here is a sampling of your petty ad hominem attacks on me today:

"Please tell me you're not really that hopeless."
"Do they still teach reading in Maryland?"
". . . you need to have some basic knowledge of our government, it's founding documents. . . "

P.S. please learn the distinction between "its" and "it's", apparently these horrible Maryland schools are better than the undoubtedly stellar institution you attended, as your grammar skills aptly demonstrate

"...it's been a long time since I tried to write on a third grade level."

And it's been even longer since you wrote WELL on a third grade level.

It's not my style to resort to bellittling tactics on a public board, but in this instance you have proven you richly deserve it. God did say "an eye for an eye" back at you pal.

Trace