[Trace21230]

"I said He's given us the right to defend ourselves"

Yes, you did say this, and I'm still waiting for the proof which you have failed to provide. You're heavy on personal attacks, low on substance.

If you want to see what a good response to my question looks like, please see hobbes' intelligent, reasoned response to my queries on this thread.

"Do they still teach reading in Maryland? I said 1)God gives us the right to defend ourselves."

Again, I'm waiting for your evidence that God gives us the right to own assault weapons. Put up or shut up. An argument is out there, but you are either incapable or unwilling to persuasively articulate it.

"Are these rights spelled out in the Declaration of Independance? Yes, they are, under the "right to pursue happiness". Did God grant you the right to the pursuit of happiness? Yes, He did. Was the Constitution written to protect those rights given to you by God? Yes, it was."

This is priceless. Since you have failed to make a persuasive argument for your claim that assault weapons are somehow a "God-given" right under the Declaration of Independence (you changed your initial tune which chirped regarding the Constitution), you now wildly proclaim the old bumper sticker slogan "Happiness is a warm gun."

If you think self-defense falls under the penumbra of "pursuit of happiness," then there is a seat on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals waiting for you.

Just to memorialize your classless tactics in posting on what I regard to be the best bulletin board on the internet, here is a sampling of your petty ad hominem attacks on me today:

"Please tell me you're not really that hopeless."
"Do they still teach reading in Maryland?"
". . . you need to have some basic knowledge of our government, it's founding documents. . . "

P.S. please learn the distinction between "its" and "it's", apparently these horrible Maryland schools are better than the undoubtedly stellar institution you attended, as your grammar skills aptly demonstrate

"...it's been a long time since I tried to write on a third grade level."

And it's been even longer since you wrote WELL on a third grade level.

It's not my style to resort to bellittling tactics on a public board, but in this instance you have proven you richly deserve it. God did say "an eye for an eye" back at you pal.

Trace

[wku man]

Okay, you are hopeless.

"Yes, you did say this, and I'm still waiting for the proof which you have failed to provide. You're heavy on personal attacks, low on substance."

Have you ever heard of/read the Declaration of Independance? The "proof" you seek is in the freakin' Declaration. I did everything but give you a direct quote! I don't have a link to an online version, but go to your local librabry, and I'm sure they'd have a copy there. Geez...did you sleep all the way through your civics class in high school? Yes, in your case, I'm heavy on personal attack, because morons who can't/won't follow a very clear, very easy to understand argument like I've made with you, get to me every time! Sheesh...it's almost like you're being stupid on purpose...a troll maybe?

"An argument is out there, but you are either incapable or unwilling to persuasively articulate it."

And I've made it, time and time again, but you're obviously unable to understand adult English. Maybe they could write a book called "Curious George Reads the Constitution"...

"Again, I'm waiting for your evidence that God gives us the right to own assault weapons."

Well keep waiting, brain stem, 'cause I never said that! Go back and find where I said "God gives us the right to own assault weapons". You can't, because I never said it!!! Okay, I will try to make my point one more time, and hopefully the simplicity of it all will smack you in the face:
1) God granted us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (not the right to "assault weapons", but the right to defend ourselves). The "proof" which you seek is in the Declaration of Independance.
2) the right to life, which is granted to us by God, includes the right to defend ourselves and our freedom from tyrants who would deprive us of our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
3) these tyrants have guns.
4) because in the Declaration, it is recognized that to protect our God-given rights, governments are instituted among men, our Founders included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
5) the 2d Amendment guarantees us that we will always have the tools (guns) to exercise our God-given right to protect ourselves (as in the right to life...it is very important for me to spell out for you that, by saying this, I am not saying that God has given us the right to own "assault weapons").
6) at the time of the Revolution, and subsequent creation of the Constitution, the tyrants that would have deprived us of our God-given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness had armies armed with Brown Bess muskets. Today, those tyrants are armed with M-16s, AKs, G-3s, and other military rifles.
7) (Warning! Logical thought needed to understand this point!) Just as the 2d Amendment (not God) guaranteed Americans in 1787 the right to keep and bear muskets, it guarantees us today the right to own semi-automatic rifles (it actually guarantees us the right to own more than semi-autos, but I don't want to overload you...I know all this logic and stuff has to be tough on you).
8) THEREFORE...as I've said many, many times before, and which as yet to penetrate your thick skull, the Second Amendment guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms, in order to protect our God-given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from those who would deprive us of those rights. Since those tyrants are armed with really mean guns, the 2d Amendment guarantees us the right to keep and bear the same really mean guns that the tyrants' armies have.

Why is it that you're the only person on this thread that can't make that connection? Are you really that abjectly stupid, or are you some loser who just enjoys acting abjectly stupid in order to keep an argument going? Or are you a glutton for punishment? Or are you a DU disruptor?

If you're not a troll, and you really don't understand anything I'm talking about, I can refer you to The Federalist Papers, The Anti-Federalist Papers, Three Treatises of Government by John Locke, Common Sense by Thomas Paine, and other great writings that are part of our founding philosophy. But they're a heckuva lot harder to read than what I've posted to you here today, so I sincerely doubt you'd understand the first paragraph of any of them. I'm not being mean when I say that. If you can not understand the very simple arguments I've made here today, you're better off reading People, Maxim, Cosmo, or TV guide.

"And it's been even longer since you wrote WELL on a third grade level."

Is that you, Pee-Wee Herman, 'cause it sure sounds like "I know you are, but what am I?" Oh my gosh, it didn't even occur to me that you might actually be in the third grade! Sorry...please don't tell the teacher on me! I'll give you my lunch money!

I have a headache, and you've been a big contributor to it. Thanks a lot!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!