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US and UK single out France for 'punishment'
Financial Times (U.K.) ^
| 04/18/03
| George Parker, Joshua Chaffin, Haig Simonian, and Martin Arnold
Posted on 04/18/2003 1:42:49 PM PDT by Pokey78
The US and Britain appear intent on continuing to "punish" France for its anti-war stance, in spite of recent gestures of conciliation by Jacques Chirac (pictured), the French president.
The diplomatic pressure on Mr Chirac contrasts with a softer tone towards Germany and Russia, the other two leading members of the "coalition of the unwilling".
The difference in approach was evident on Friday in a newspaper interview in which Tony Blair, prime minister, said the failure to secure a second UN resolution had put British soldiers' lives at risk.
Downing Street believes that Mr Chirac's threat to veto such a resolution made difficult negotiations with countries such as Russia and Germany "impossible".
Meanwhile Condoleezza Rice, the US president's national security adviser, was reported this week to have said that France should be punished, Germany ignored and Russia forgiven as the US readjusts its relations with European allies.
The strain of the US-French relationship was apparent this week when Mr Bush and Mr Chirac shared their first telephone conversation in more than two months. The White House described the call as "businesslike".
By contrast, Mr Blair last Tuesday went to Hanover, home town of Gerhard Schröder, and held talks with the German chancellor, which Downing Street described as "extremely good".
Britain and the US believe that Germany can be quickly brought back into the Atlanticist fold, and have been encouraged by public statements by Mr Schröder and Joschka Fischer, foreign minister, since the war ended.
Berlin has indicated it could be open to participating in peacekeeping in Iraq, a move which would be warmly welcomed in Washington.
Mr Schröder and his ministers have said a decision would be taken on the basis of what kind of role they might play and circumstances on the ground. But as the war in Iraq has neared conclusion, the tone has softened somewhat, with more stress on Germany's awareness of its international responsibilities.
One problem with German participation - stretched resources - could be resolved in the coming months, with the decision that Nato would take over the leadership of peacekeeping in Afghanistan in August, releasing German soldiers for redeployment elsewhere.
British and US diplomats believe that if they can rebuild bridges with Germany, France would have little choice but to adopt a more constructive approach to US relations.
Publicly Downing Street insists Mr Blair and Mr Chirac are already starting to repair severely damaged cross-channel relations, pointing to a "good" 25 minute conversation between the two leaders at the EU summit on Wednesday.
Mr Chirac has also tried to promote a "pragmatic" approach to the postwar situation, engaging in a dialogue in Athens on the reconstruction of Iraq and recognising the necessary role of US and British troops on the ground.
But the short-term reconciliations in Europe do not disguise a longer-term ideological divide, which has shown no signs of narrowing.
While German foreign policy envisages a partnership between Europe and the US, France has marked the postwar period with renewed advocacy of its vision of a strong European pole to counterbalance US power.
"Europe will put its all into forging a multi-polar world and making its voice and values heard, in harmonious and balanced co-operation with its leading partners," Mr Chirac said at the Athens summit.
Mr Chirac also reminded the 10 new EU members, mainly former communist countries, that their allegiances should not be with the US but with the "European family".
The diplomatic manoeuvring over Iraq is likely to coincide with commercial battles as well. The US on Thursday handed a lucrative contract to rebuild vital infrastructure to Bechtel, a US construction company.
European diplomats will be watching closely to see if European companies are included in such work as subcontractors, and also to what extent they are able to preserve existing contracts in Iraq.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: cheeseeating; france; germany; postwariraq; punishment; surrendermonkeys; uk; unwillingcoalition
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posted on
04/18/2003 1:42:49 PM PDT
by
Pokey78
To: Pokey78
Isn't being French punishment enough?
2
posted on
04/18/2003 1:47:59 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Using pretentious arcane words to buttress your argument means you don't have one)
To: Pokey78
US and UK single out France for 'punishment' - Good!
To: Pokey78; MeeknMing; Victoria Delsoul; sarasmom; RetiredArmy; Grampa Dave
The political cartoonists are having great sport too:
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posted on
04/18/2003 2:10:11 PM PDT
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
To: OpusatFR
>> "Isn't being French punishment enough?"
Never. There is never "enough" punishment for the French.
The only problem is, they seem to enjoy it.
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posted on
04/18/2003 2:10:23 PM PDT
by
sd-joe
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SAMWolf; Sabertooth; habs4ever
The US and Britain appear intent on continuing to "punish" France for its anti-war stance, in spite of recent gestures of conciliation by Jacques Chirac... Bwahahaha, gestures of conciliation alone aren't enough to cool things down, who does he think he is talking to, Clinton?
To: Victoria Delsoul
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posted on
04/18/2003 2:19:06 PM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
To: SAMWolf
Well said, Sam. LOL
To: Pokey78
Meanwhile Condoleezza Rice, the US president's national security adviser, was reported this week to have said that France should be punished, Germany ignored and Russia forgiven as the US readjusts its relations with European allies.
Works for me!
9
posted on
04/18/2003 2:27:34 PM PDT
by
BullDog108
(Feles mala! Cur cista non uteris? Stramentum novum in ea posui.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is great, Ernest!
10
posted on
04/18/2003 2:30:19 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Victoria Delsoul; SAMWolf; yall
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posted on
04/18/2003 2:30:41 PM PDT
by
MeekOneGOP
(Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
To: SAMWolf
French Products to Buycott!
Make it a life$tyle to avoid French product$.
Let them fear the American $treet---our combined wallet$.
"France has burned too many bridges!"
Lets keep burning those bridges that the slimey and worthless frogs are depending on for the rest of this decade!
$crew the Slimey Frogs with a Boycott!
French Products to Buycott
We can resist their wines which usually come in behind the good Napa Valley Wines and Australian wines in blind tasting without French Judges like in the Winter Olympics.
We can do without French Products and services for the rest of this decade. Here is a list of French companies and their products to avoid for the rest of this decade. Please keep this list and send it to your relatives, friends and fellow conservatives via e and snail mail!
*New additions to the list.
Air France
Air Liquide
Airbus
Alcatel - Based in Paris France, Provider of communications equipment, including ADSL equipment, terrestrial and submarine optical networks, public switching, fixed wireless access and intelligent networks.
Allegra (Allergy Medication) - Produced by Aventis Pharmaceuticals based in Strasbourg, France
Aqualung (Including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and SeaQuest)
AXA Advisors
*Bacou-Dalloz-Makes Industrial protective devices
Bank of the West - Owned by BNP Paribas
Beneteau (boats)
BF Goodrich - Owned by Michelin
BIC (Razors, Pens & Lighters) - Started in 1945 by Marcel Bich. Originally based just outside of Paris. Began trading on the Paris Stock Exchange in 1972. 40.5% Publicly traded. Bich family still owns 33.5%.
Biotherm (Cosmetics)
Black Bush
Bollinger (Champagne)
*Browning Firearms**
Car & Driver Magazine
Cartier
Chanel
Chivas Regal (Scotch)
Christian Dior
Club Med (Vacations) - Owned in part by Paris based CDC (Caisse des Dépôts et Consignations)
Culligan (owned by Vivendi)
Dannon (Yogurt & Dairy Foods)
*Danone -Lea and Perrin, Evian and other food/water
*Decatholon Super Sport Stores or MVP Sport Stores*
* Dassault Systemes-(CATIA design software)*
DKNY - LVMH acquired 100% of Gabrielle Studio Inc., the privately owned licenser of Donna Karan trademarks back in 2001.
*DMC THREADS
Dom Perignon
Durand Crystal
Elle Magazine
*Emile Henry French Cookware
*Enertec makes high speed recorders used in Recon aircraft p>Essilor Optical Products
Evian
Fina Oil - Billions invested in Iraqi Oil fields -FINA GAS STATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE NOT FRENCH-OWNED AND ARE NOT PART OF TOTAL-ELF-FINA ... FINA GAS STATIONS ARE OWNED BY ALON ISRAEL OIL COMPANY ..
First Hawaiian Bank
George Magazine
Givenchy
*Grey Goose Vodka
*GroupeSEB owns Krups, Moulinex, Roweta and Tefal Cookware
*Groupe Shneider, owner of Modicon and Square D
*Guerlain Fragrances
*Hachette Filipacchi owner publisher of many magazines sold in the USA. See the list below:***
Hennessy
Houghton Mifflin (books) International Herald Tribune - 181 ave Charles-de-Gaulle - F-92521 Neuilly - FRSource:World Business Council for Sustainable Development '00 [Domain Registration], [Corporate Profile]
Jacobs Creek - Owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989
Jameson (whiskey Owned by Pernod Ricard )
Jerry Springer (talk show)
Krups
****Lagardere****
Lancome
*Lea & Perrins a product of Danon
Le Creuset (Cookware)
L'Oreal (Health & Beauty Products)
Louis Vuitton
Marie Claire
Martel Cognac
Maybelline
Méphisto (Footwear & Apparel)
Michelin (Tires & Auto Parts) - Their phone number is: (33) 1 45 66 15 53 in France
Mikasa Crystal and Glass (purchased by ARC int'l in 2001)
Moet (Champagne)
Motel 6 - 33, Avenue du Maine- 75755 Paris Cedex 15 France
Motown Records
MP3.com
Mumms (Champagne)
Nissan (Cars) - Majority owned by Renault
Nivea
Normany Butter
Parents Magazine
*Perrier
Peugeot (Automobiles) - Pronounced "Pooh Joe", must be French
Pierre Cardin
Playstation Magazine
ProScan - Owned by Thomson Electronics, France
Publicis Group (Including: Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising)
RCA (televisions & electronics) - Owned by Thomson Electronics, France
Red Magazine
Red Roof Inns - Owned by the Accor group based in France
Renault (Automobiles) major owner of Nissan
Road & Track Magazine
Roquefort Cheese - All Roquefort cheese is made in France
Rowenta (Toasters, Irons, Coffee makers, etc)
Royal Canadian
Salomon (Skis)
Seagram's Gin
Sierra Software and Computer Games
*Sodexho Alliance* French Food Caterer for the US Marines
Sofitel (Hotels) - Owned by the Accor group based in France
Sparkletts (Water) - Owned by Danone, based in France
Spencer Gifts
Sundance Channel
Taylor Made (Golf)
Technicolor
T-Fal (Kitchenware)
The Glenlivet (Scotch) *Top Tobacco - Dist. by Republic Tobacco L.P., Glenview IL, made in France
UbiSoft (Computer Games)
Uniroyal
Uniroyal Tires - Owned by Michelin
Universal Studios (Music, Movies & Theme Parks) -
Universal Studios is owned by Vivendi-Universal, headquartered in Paris France
USFilter
Veritas Group
Veuve Clicquot Champagne
Vittel
Vivendi - Vivendi Headquarters, Paris France
Wild Turkey (bourbon)
*Winchester Firearms (US Repeating Arms)**
Woman's Day Magazine
Yoplait - France-based Sodiaal owns a 50% stake of Yoplait
Yves Saint Laurent
*Yves Rocher Cosmetics
*ZigZag (tobacco papers and roller products)*
Zodiac Inflatable Boats
*New additions to the list thanks to Freepers. If you have an addition, Freepmail me with the URL showing French ownership.
** Sad news but these two companies are owned by the Belgian Company Herstal, (French Light)
***List of 18 magazines sold in USA by Hachette Filipacchi with an estimated 50 million readers: American Photo, Boating, Car Stereo Review's Mobile Entertainment, Cycle World, ELLE Decor, ELLEgirl, Flying, Home, Metropolitan Home, Popular Photography, Premiere, Sound & Vision, Travel Holiday, Woman's Day Woman's Day Special Interest Publications.
****Lagardere owns the Virgin Megastore group in France, which it bought from Richard Branson three years ago. Its Hachette media division publishes a battery of magazines including Elle , see *** Hachette Filipacchi above. Lagardere also has a stake in the Airbus manufacturing operation. The company is capitalised at over 5bn based on last week's closing prices.****
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posted on
04/18/2003 2:33:43 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
To: Pokey78
"...in spite of recent gestures of conciliation by Jacques Chirac..."
Like blocking the removal of UN sanctions in order to defeat the US's efforts to win the peace? Funny I haven't seen a single act of conciliation much less gestures.
To: MeeknMing
LOL, that's great, Meek.
To: Grampa Dave
The only company I the list I've bought from is UbiSoft. Guess I can pass on the lastest shoot-em-up software.
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posted on
04/18/2003 2:59:08 PM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
To: SAMWolf
You sacrifice to F the French will be small. I like your little F the French sticker.
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posted on
04/18/2003 3:02:36 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
To: Victoria Delsoul
:O)
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posted on
04/18/2003 3:04:48 PM PDT
by
MeekOneGOP
(Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
Comment #18 Removed by Moderator
To: Grampa Dave
Sorry Grampa, I aint gonna give up my zigzags!
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posted on
04/18/2003 3:25:58 PM PDT
by
asneditor
(A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
To: Pokey78
France should be punished, Germany ignored and Russia forgiven ... Pragmatic lady!
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posted on
04/18/2003 3:39:30 PM PDT
by
mikeIII
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