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Confederate Memorial Day will honor soldiers who sided against the Union
staugustine.com ^ | 18 April 2003 | PETER GUINTA

Posted on 04/18/2003 6:53:53 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

latest update: Friday, April 18, 2003 at 08:36 AM EDT





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  A Confederate flag adorns a memorial marker placed in remembrance of Isaac Papino, an African American soldier who served in the Confederate army.
By MATT MAY, Staff




Confederate Memorial Day will honor soldiers who sided against the Union

By PETER GUINTA


Senior Writer

 

Most Civil War histories usually ignore the more than 70,000 African-Americans who served with Confederate armies.

People know little about them, but in 1861, noted black abolitionist Frederick Douglass said, "There are many colored men in the Confederate Army as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops and doing all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government."

Black soldiers' contributions to Union armies are already well known, popularized in Hollywood films such as "Glory" with Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman.

However, suggesting that Southern blacks fought and died for a government that condoned and supported slavery is politically incorrect nowadays.

Nonetheless, at least three black Confederate veterans are buried in San Lorenzo Cemetery on U.S. 1 -- three of only six documented in the state.





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  Col. John Masters unrolls an American flag before placing it at a grave of Anthony T. Welters, an African American soldier who served in the Confederate army.
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These men are Emanuel Osborn, Anthony Welters and Isaac Papino, all from St. Augustine.

Their memories -- and the memories of 46 white Confederate soldiers who died during that war -- will be honored Saturday, when Nelson Wimbush of Orlando, grandson of a black soldier who rode with Confederate Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, speaks at 10 a.m. at the Plaza de la Constitucion.

Wimbush is coming to St. Augustine to mark an early observance of Confederate Memorial Day by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, Gen. William Wing Loring Camp 1316, St. Augustine.

According to Jim Davis, a U.S. Army veteran of Vietnam and adjutant of the Loring chapter, the observance was moved from April 26, the anniversary of Gen. Joseph E. Johnson's surrender, to avoid conflict with Flagler College's graduation.

"After the speech, the names of all veterans listed on the Confederate Monument will be read aloud," Davis said.





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  Confederate soldier Anthony T. Welters is pictured in this late 1800's portrait. Welters is one of at least two African American Confederate soldiers buried at San Lorenzo Cemetery in St. Augustine.
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That memorial was raised in 1872 by the Ladies Memorial Association of St. Augustine. The names on its side include many long-time St. Augustine families and most will sound familiar -- Thomas and John Ponce, Peter Masters, Jacob, Antonio and George Mickler, Michael G. Llambias, Bartolo Pinkham, Henaro Triay, Joseph Andreu, Francis Baya and Gaspar Carreras, among others.

Loring, a veteran of the Seminole and Mexican wars, was raised in St. Augustine and accepted a commission in the Army of the Confederacy in 1862. His ashes are buried under a monument in the west Plaza, Cordova and King streets, raised in his honor in 1920 by the Anna Dummett Chapter of the Daughters of the Confederacy.

"All of our veterans ought to be honored for the sacrifices they gave," Davis said. "This is our way of honoring the sacrifices of our Confederate veterans."

After reading the names, participants will be invited to San Lorenzo Cemetery to place flags on the graves of the 160 Confederates -- black and white -- buried there.

John Masters of St. Augustine, a retired U.S. Army colonel with combat service in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, has documented 9,000 Confederate graves in Florida. Only six of them are black, he said, because most records of the time did not list race.

"Graves of black Confederate veterans are scarce as hen's teeth," he said.

Most black Confederates worked as cooks, drivers or musicians, but at least 18,000 served as combat troops, Masters said.

"Black people don't want to believe that, but it's true," he said. "Nobody wanted to be a slave, but this was their home and the North was an aggressor nation."

All St. Augustine black Confederates survived the war.

Osborn was born here in 1843, the son of freed slaves. He was 18 when he enlisted in 1861 as a musician in Capt. John Lott Phillips' Company B, 3rd Florida Infantry Regiment, called the St. Augustine Blues.

He served in St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, Tallahassee, Mobile, Ala., and Chattanooga, Tenn., fighting in the Battle of Perryville.

He was discharged in 1862 after his one-year enlistment ended and due to his ill health. He died in 1907.

In St. Augustine National Cemetery is buried a Samuel L. Osborn Jr., private in Company D, 33rd U.S. Colored Troops, who died in 1890. Masters believes this may be Emanuel's brother.

Welters, who served in the same company as Osborn and Papino, was also known under other names, such as Anthony Wetters, Tony Fontane and Antonio Huertas. A former slave, he was born in 1810 and enlisted as a fifer in 1861, when he was 51 years old.

He participated in the battles of Perryville, Murfreesboro, Vicksburg, Chattanooga, Chickamauga, Atlanta, Franklin and Nashville.

Returning to St. Augustine, after the war, Welters lived at 79 Bridge St. and became active in politics and with the E. Kirby Smith Camp, United Confederate Veterans. He died in 1902 at 92 years old.

Only a few facts are available about Papino. He was born in 1813 and enlisted as a musician and mechanic in 1861 at 48 years old but was discharged in November 1862.

His burial place is not precisely known, but a stone in San Lorenzo stands near his comrades' graves in memorial of his service.

Many blacks who fought for the Confederacy drew pensions for their service after the war. Arkansas, the only state which identified these individuals by race, documented 278 blacks who received such pensions.

Masters said Confederate Gen. E. Kirby Smith, who was born and raised in St. Augustine, had a black orderly, Alex Darns. After the war, the general paid for his former orderly to attend medical school.

Darns later became a successful doctor in Jacksonville.

"St. Augustine was occupied by the Union in 1862," Masters said. "Smith's mother was a Confederate spy. She and someone else cut down the flag pole in front of the arsenal (now National Guard headquarters) so they couldn't fly the Union flag on it."


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To: billbears
This is all revisionist crapola, except for #5, which is the story of those Louisiana blacks who formed two regiments for service in the CSA army and were refused.

41 posted on 04/18/2003 8:22:39 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Lee Heggy
"No one answer seems to be completely accurate the further we get from the actual events. Everyone has their own agenda."

You said it. I did a quick Google Search on "black confederate soldiers" and came up with a list that even in the headlines was along the lines of
"yes there were"

"no there weren't"

"yes there were"

"no there weren't"

"yes there were"

"no there weren't".

I obviously won't be able to resolve this issue via the internet. This stuff took place only a little over 100 years ago, I really wouldn't think it would be so difficult to resolve, one way or the other.

Oh well, onto Lincoln: Great President or Tyrant? But this at least can be construed as a matter of opinion, not fact.
42 posted on 04/18/2003 8:23:10 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: stainlessbanner
"Most black Confederates worked as cooks, drivers or musicians, but at least 18,000 served as combat troops, Masters said. "Black people don't want to believe that, but it's true," he said. "Nobody wanted to be a slave, but this was their home and the North was an aggressor nation."

Truth be told, that final part pretty much described a huge majority of the white Confederate soldiers, too, as the troops were mostly made up of folks who NEVER owned slaves...MUD

43 posted on 04/18/2003 8:36:13 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (DemonRATS continue to Defend the Indefensibile and Assail the Unassailable!!)
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To: stainlessbanner
Anyone interested on the topic, I would send to their inter-library loan department and pick up the book "Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees."

It's an exhaustive academic work (dull read) story on the black experience during the Civil War in Virginia.

Virginia held the most slaves at the start of the war, and also the second largest number of free blacks after Maryland.

The conclusion of the book was that it was a complex story looking at many extant records such as diaries and battle reports.

The author's conclusions were that most slaves in Virginia took neither side. Many took the northern side and ran away, spied for the north or joined the northern army. Fewer did just the opposite and spied for the Confederate armies, or returned to their homes when they were offered a chance to leave.

The free blacks (50,000 if I remmeber right?) were even more interesting. Many volunteered for the Confederate armies, mostly being redirected to support services. Thousands served as cooks and teamsters. Many bought Confederate bonds supporting the CSA government that way. Many others joined the army as fighters seemingly without permission to do so. It seems that Stonewall Jackson's corps had a don't ask don't tell policy on the matter. There are just too many reports from battlefields to discount, from the Yankee letters home talking about a sniper they shot out of a tree in the Peninsula campaign who turned out to be black, to citizen letters in Fredrick Maryland talking about armed black Confederate troops marching mixed with the other troops.

Anyway, the number 70,000 to me would have to include the teamsters (which there were thousands of for an army the size of Lee's), but I think there's little doubt that there were black Confederate soldiers of some number.
44 posted on 04/18/2003 8:36:46 AM PDT by Beernoser
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To: yankhater
Very good post, yh...

"...there are accounts of body servants of officers (slaves who "grew up" side by side with their masters) picking up a rifle a time or two. This certainly happened on many (or at least several) occasions. The problem here is that this story was later interpreted in post-war literature as "the loyal Darky". It can be found in the book "in Ole Virginia" (forgot the author). It was overemphasized to contrast "loyal" blacks during segregation to "troublemakers", a segregationalist "morality play" in a way."

The Re-Fighting of the Civil War fer the last 140 years has resulted in self-serving spin from both sides, but that doesn't change the fact that Slavery was/IS Evil and is an embarrassment for the South...nor does it change the FACT that the Federal Guv'ment overstepped it's constitutional limitations in not allowing the South to secede!!

IMHO...MUD

45 posted on 04/18/2003 8:47:22 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (DemonRATS continue to Defend the Indefensibile and Assail the Unassailable!!)
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To: putupon
Doubt that Confederate ladies would have honored anyone with black skin.

Yet another legend, with no basis in fact.
46 posted on 04/18/2003 8:54:24 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
First you say this about the graves the Confederate ladies were honoring:

"Those killed at Petersburg during the siege" were slaves forced to dig trenches, not soldiers.

Then you say this:

Doubt that Confederate ladies would have honored anyone with black skin.

can't you make up your mind?

47 posted on 04/18/2003 8:59:37 AM PDT by putupon (I smack Chirac and Robbins too w/ my shoe.)
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To: Mudboy Slim
as the troops were mostly made up of folks who NEVER owned slaves

Owning 20 or more slaves could get you an exemption from service in the Confederate army. Ynkees who were conscripted could pay someone to take their place. Then, as now, the complaint "Rich mans war, poor man's fight" went through the ranks of both armies.

48 posted on 04/18/2003 9:08:51 AM PDT by putupon (I smack Chirac and Robbins too w/ my shoe.)
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To: yankhater
Great post, yankhater. Thanks for pinging me to it.
49 posted on 04/18/2003 9:22:47 AM PDT by FBD (Afghanistan, check... Iraq, check...Syria, did you say sumpin?)
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To: stainlessbanner
we of the SCV & SUVCW have ALWAYS honored each others war-dead.here in the DC area, the first joint commeration was in 1898.

free dixie,sw

50 posted on 04/18/2003 9:41:56 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: yankhater
sorry, but you are WRONG!

black CSA veterans fought alongside white, hispanic, indian & asian servicemembers on the same basis as other soldiers.

no less an authority than GEN N.B.Forrest said that his "sable warriors" fought as well as any soldier for the TRUE CAUSE.

Professor H. R. Blackerby,the noted late/former chair of history at Tuskeegee University, estimates that there were at least 100,000 black CSA servicemembers in the army,navy & CSMC, who served in EVERY sort of military job.

it is a REVISIONIST lie to suggest otherwise, especially given the THOUSANDS of service records of blacks in the US archives & the number of pension records in state archives.

damnbyankee apologists like ravison,x,ditto & ole' WP TRY hard to discount their VALIANT service for the CAUSE, as it makes their LIES more plausable to the un-informed.

did you know that the south's 1st naval HERO-MARTYR was a black naval lieutenant? his name was LT Moses I. Dillon, CSN who btw was given the first CSA "state funeral". (i'd bet you didn't know that there were some black CSA commissioned officers.there are service records of at least FIVE.)

free dixie,sw

51 posted on 04/18/2003 9:56:19 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
This is all revisionist crapola

LOL!! That's what I love about you McPhernuts. Evidence presented, documentable evidence, and it's all 'crapola' because it flies in the face of decades of 'history' written by men who wrote for Socialist newspapers (Sandburg) and interview for Socialist websites (Mcpherson). What'd they do? Take pictures of black men in Confederate uniform and somehow fix the photograph so it looked like it was in the 1860s? You know there are people who believe man never landed on the moon, but they're kooky too. Blacks who have traced their heritage back to brave Confederate soldiers? What? They fixed those documents too? But you keep on keeping on there son. You Asa, and Jimmy, keep the faith. Won't do you a hill of beans against facts, but you keep on

52 posted on 04/18/2003 11:38:42 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: yankhater; stainlessbanner
"But were they soldiers? That question is tricky..."

....IMHO it's pretty clear cut.....no one in 2003 would deny veteran's status to present day Army truck drivers, cooks, mechanics, bandsmen, medics, welders ect....they're not any different than the cooks, teamsters, grooms, litter bearers, ferriers, smiths, butchers, saddlers, harness makers ect of 165 years ago....without those kind of people neither Lee nor Grant could have kept an Army in the field very long....

53 posted on 04/18/2003 12:20:14 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: kaboom
Yeah, well a lot of ancestors of those "dead soldiers of a losing army" are now fighting in Iraq. Should they not honor all those in their family who fought with honor? We sure do in my family. All detractors can kiss our collective Rebel American Arse.
54 posted on 04/18/2003 12:26:34 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: billbears
Neo-Confederates twist themselves into knots hunting for (non-existent) blacks who fought with the rebels, yet competely ignore the 100,000 southern whites who enlisted in the U.S. Army during the Civil War. Among the several dozen regiments of white southerners who defended our country were the 10th U.S. Tennessee Infantry, the 1st U.S. Misssissippi Mounted Rifles, the 4th U.S. Arkansas Infantry, and Sherman's personal escort on his march to thesea, the 1st U.S. Alabama Cavalry.


55 posted on 04/18/2003 12:27:33 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: STONEWALLS
The difference, is those black teamsters and such in the Confederate army were S-L-A-V-E-S.
56 posted on 04/18/2003 12:28:39 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: stainlessbanner
Wonder what the pc crowd will make of this? Paul Begala of course, claims the CSA Battle Flag is a symbol of racism, the freakin moron.

Good story, thanks!

Anyone ever visit www.dixieoutfitters.com

They have some cool shirts I want...In particular, they have a particularly mean NB Forrest one and a John S. Mosby one that are very cool tributes to these guys.
57 posted on 04/18/2003 12:31:35 PM PDT by jonalvy44
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To: kaboom
Why don't you go down to Texas and declare Alamo Day Santa Anna Day?,, I dare you,,,,
58 posted on 04/18/2003 12:47:34 PM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
"The difference, is those black teamsters and such in the Confederate army were S-L-A-V-E-S."

....then I take it you would not consider S-L-A-V-E-S who served under Washington to be Revolutionary War veterans.

59 posted on 04/18/2003 1:25:09 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: STONEWALLS
As Abraham Lincoln often pointed out, F-R-E-E blacks served in the U.S. armed forces during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, and yes, they are honored veterans.
60 posted on 04/18/2003 1:31:58 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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