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Impact of Iraqi defeat on Islam
WorldNetDaily.Com ^ | Posted: April 17, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Posted on 04/17/2003 1:07:32 AM PDT by Bobby777

Islamic militant Abdullah Azzam boasted to a crowd of American Muslims in 1988, "After [the defeat of the USSR in] Afghanistan, nothing is impossible for us anymore. There are no superpowers ... what matters is the willpower that springs from our religious belief."

El Sayyid Nosair, the man charged with killing Rabbi Meir Kahane, wrote, "We have to thoroughly demoralize the enemies of God by means of destroying and blowing up the towers that constitute the pillars of their civilization, such as the high buildings of which they are so proud."

This is the thinking behind the creation of the al-Qaida terrorist organization. It was this Muslim conviction that led straight to the 9-11 terrorist attacks on the United States.

For those who understand the Muslim mind, any sign of weakness – any hint that the U.S. lacks resolve to defend itself – will only inspire more lethal attacks on our shores.

This is just the opposite of the usual "liberal wisdom" that says we must not incite "the Arab street." They would have us hesitate, negotiate, placate but in no way irritate the Muslim world for fear we will create more ill will toward us.

It is true that there are a certain risks to the bold moves the United States and the coalition have taken. But there were no alternatives. We did not directly provoke the attacks on 9-11. And if we failed to boldly respond, it would not have prevented more attacks, but rather encouraged them.

It is very important to understand how the average Muslim thinks. The Koran teaches him that the Muslim warrior will be invincible when he fights in a holy war or jihad. They believe that it is a sacred duty to fight and recover any Muslim land that is taken by the infidel. This is especially true of territory that contains Muslim holy places like Jerusalem.

They believe that the Middle East is the heart of their world. Any incursion into that territory by Western forces is considered a new invasion of the "Judeo-Christian Crusaders" – no matter what reason we give.

This is why there is no possible acceptance of the state of Israel. And this is why there are such bizarre responses to the U.S.-led overthrow of the brutal Saddam Hussein regime and the liberation of the Iraqi people.

Islam creates such a 'machismo' type of pride, that Muslims will do all kinds of irrational things to avenge its wounds. There is no way for the Western mind to understand the depths of anguish and humiliation Muslims feel because of Western defeats of their armies.

The humiliation Israel's military victories have inflicted on them is unbearable. And now the two rapid victories the United States has achieved over Afghanistan and Iraq have compounded the sense of humiliation.

Even Israeli generals have conceded that the defeat of Iraq, one of the most powerful Muslim armies in the Middle East, by only three divisions in 22 days with only 100 casualties is amazing. Some Israeli generals say it surpasses their 1967 victory in the Six Day War.

All of this is reflected in quotes from Muslims in various Middle Eastern countries.

Saddam Hussein has killed more Arabs and other Muslims in three decades than have the wars involving Israel and the United States combined. The atrocities uncovered by coalition forces as they swept through Iraq are inconsequential to the Arab "street" when measured against the blow struck to Arab pride by the lightning defeat of what had previously been the most powerful military machine in the Arab world.

Aljazeera.net wrote:

The Arab world was in shock and denial on Thursday after Baghdad fell almost without a fight, bringing to an end President Saddam Hussein's 24-year rule. Many felt let down by demise of a figure who had represented a rare source of Arab defiance of American power – others were more shocked by his own people's failure to defend or mourn him, and saw it as a warning to other unelected Arab rulers.

A schoolteacher in Sanaa, Yemen, said, "I still cannot believe that the Americans entered Baghdad this easily. If a deal was struck with Saddam, then that proves that he staked his people and the hopes of all Arabs in order to survive."

A Jordanian Engineer, Samir Ezzat, was very bitter over the images of Baghdad's fall he saw taking place live on the Al-Jazeera TV Network. He lamented, "Once more the Arabs have been humiliated and deceived like the crushing defeat we faced during the 1967 war with Israel, despite the thunderous promises of victory [Egyptian President Gamal] Nasser made."

In the hundreds of interviews of Muslims throughout the Islamic world, one thing came across loud and clear. It was much more important to them that the Iraqis defeat the U.S.-UK infidel invaders than it was for a ruthless tyrant to be removed and the horribly oppressed Muslim brothers of Iraq liberated.

To me, there is something very sick about a religion that produces such an attitude. Their "macho"-type pride and their hatred of Israel and the West seems to overrule even common wisdom that would be in their own best interest.

It is worth noting that Israel sat out both Persian Gulf War I and II. But the Arab world can overlook all that and somehow see Israel's hand in their humiliation. In an article entitled, "I Am An Arab" in Dar al Hayat this week, author Jihad al Khazen writes, "Iraq is now ruled by the representative of the Jewish Institute For National Security Affairs."

And the Muslim escape from reason plunges onward, in spite of the facts to the contrary.


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KEYWORDS: collateralbenefits; islam; postwariraq; religionofpeace
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To: The Great Satan
Isn't it about time these people gave it up and became Christians, like everyone else?

Didn't conversion to Islam originally occur because of its military success? So what lesson should be drawn from its military failures? (For cultural reasons, I think Near Eastern Moslems are more likely to accept Bahaiism than Christianity. But if they do become Bahais, they will no longer be tempted to become terrorists, and thus a threat to us.)

Why do Moslems regard any non-Moslem occupation of any part of the Middle East as so unacceptable, but at the same time apparently think that Christians should accept the Moslem occupation of the earliest Christian lands?

21 posted on 04/17/2003 8:00:23 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Bobby777
President Bush at the WTC-"You can't hear me? I can hear you and soon those people who knocked down these walls will be hearing you too!" Or in Sadamn's case....breathing dirt.

Pray for GW and Our Troops

22 posted on 04/17/2003 8:04:17 AM PDT by bray (Old Glory Means Freedom)
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To: Bobby777
What I think is most sickening about the Arab religion/culture is the use of their own children as suicide bombers and the use of children as human shields, such as by the feyadeen in Iraq. Allah must be outraged by such people!
23 posted on 04/17/2003 8:17:35 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Bobby777
This is what seems to escape the "feel-gooders" and peaceniks.
The struggle is for survival against primitives with the unlimited ability to destroy civilization, since they are not bound by the rules of the civilized.

There is only one currency they understand. It may not be pretty but we ignore that reality at our peril.

Ignorance continues to be our greatest enemy.

24 posted on 04/17/2003 8:22:14 AM PDT by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: JasonC; KC_Conspirator
"three divisions?"
3rd + 101st + I MEF + Brit Div + Brigade of 82nd + some others = 4+ Divisions
25 posted on 04/17/2003 8:36:36 AM PDT by ironman
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To: Straight Vermonter
Is it not incredible that with all of the oil wealth the middle east has, with all of the military hardware they have purchased, that they seem incapable of fielding a credible military?


Actually it's been in their mindset all along. Ever since WWI during the Arab revolt the British tried to give the Arab army training and discipline in fighting a modern army (modern for then). The Arab response was "Give us Guns (meaning Artillery) and keep the training."

They feel (honestly), that their zeal for battle against the infidel can overcome any training anyone can give them.

We've just seen the fallacy of that thought process.

Semper Fi
26 posted on 04/17/2003 8:41:13 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: Bobby777
"some believe, that during the Tribulation, a great number of Arabs, far greater than today, may become believers in Christ ... because of the reconciliation between Jacob and Esau in Genesis 33, among other passages saying different things ..."

Of course, those are the ones who attempt to interpret the New Testament through the Old Testament instead of the other way around.

27 posted on 04/17/2003 9:25:30 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Militant Islam are a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)
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To: Bobby777
After a few weeks of R&R it will be time to crusade into Damascus and Tehran.
28 posted on 04/17/2003 10:51:37 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: aristeides
Why do Moslems regard any non-Moslem occupation of any part of the Middle East as so unacceptable, but at the same time apparently think that Christians should accept the Moslem occupation of the earliest Christian lands?

That is a very good observation, and one that the mainstream press that always portrays Muslims as "victims" of Western crusades does not have the integrity to deal with honestly. The crusades was a concerted attempt to regain land brutally invaded and conquered by Muslims a few centuries earlier. Muslims have never gotten over being kicked out of Spain, let alone Israel.

Didn't conversion to Islam originally occur because of its military success? So what lesson should be drawn from its military failures? (For cultural reasons, I think Near Eastern Moslems are more likely to accept Bahaiism than Christianity. But if they do become Bahais, they will no longer be tempted to become terrorists, and thus a threat to us.)

Bahaiism is persecuted today under the Islamic regime in Iran, as well as Mazdaism (Zoroastrianism), the religion of the Persian empire. A moderate Islam is possible, but that is not the trend in Islam at the mement.

29 posted on 04/17/2003 11:47:55 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776
I doubt moderate Islam is possible as a viable alternative..moderate Islam is apostate..those who become adept will always return or seek to return Islam to its purer form..imo
30 posted on 04/17/2003 12:59:50 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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