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‘Top Secret’
abc ^ | 4/16/03

Posted on 04/16/2003 9:26:51 PM PDT by knak

Documents Found by ABCNEWS Reveal a Lot About Saddam’s Regime

B A G H D A D, Iraq, April 16 — The United States has failed to collect, or even protect, huge numbers of secret Iraqi intelligence files and documents that could help lead to some of Saddam Hussein's most loyal followers — and, perhaps, Saddam himself.

Documents — most marked "top secret" — were discovered by ABCNEWS in the basements and offices of two luxurious, riverside Baghdad homes that were already looted of furniture and decorations.

One of the houses was the personal home of Saddam's eldest son, Odai, and the other home, next door, was used by the head of Iraqi intelligence, Gen. Taher Jaleel Ajboush.

"He and Odai came here when the war started," said former CIA Agent Bob Baer, indicating the homes were secret hideaways. "And that's where intelligence was run out [of] until the Americans got to Baghdad."

Many of the files had been burned or shredded, but what ABCNEWS recovered included a current, detailed listing of top generals of Saddam's fighting force, the Fedayeen, as well as a rare photo of the Fedayeen hierarchy gathered with Odai Hussein.

Using flashlights because of the power outage in Baghdad, two ABCNEWS consultants — Baer and former U.S. diplomat Peter Galbraith — analyzed the documents.

"This is the raw material, which in the intelligence business is priceless," said Baer.

Evidence Shows Odai as ‘Cruel Man’

The papers ABCNEWS discovered in Odai Hussein's personal office included what Galbraith called "extraordinary documents" that confirmed reports of grisly executions, including a brochure for a giant grinding machine.

"Obviously it's a machine intended for slaughtering animals. But we have evidence from witnesses who describe how Odai and his brother used such a machine to chop up human beings alive," said Galbraith.

Also among the documents were secret bank account numbers, bags of informant reports, long lists of women and documents indicating Odai suffered from alcoholic liver disease.

"It's a real picture of a very cruel man, but a man with a lot of personal problems," said Galbraith.

Baer and Galbraith said they were astounded that U.S. forces had either failed to collect the documents or were unaware of their existence.

U.S. officials have sealed off the presidential palaces and ministry offices to protect the documents there. But it is clear many of the most sensitive files were hidden away in places American intelligence has yet to locate.

One official put the apparent lapse down to the difficulty of identifying and controlling a vast number of locations. "It's a big country and there are thousands of potential sites we are trying to secure," the official said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atrocities; blackfiles; embeddedreport; intelligence; iraqifreedom; oday; shredder
I had read about the Iraqi's putting people into shredders but only from suspect news sources.
1 posted on 04/16/2003 9:26:51 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
The big plastic shredders. If the victims were lucky, they were put in head first. It's so sick it defies belief.

I don't think some people understand that we sent in a very well-trained military, and document finding wasn't part of the training. And the amount of looting had to have been unexpected, and the military has strict orders not to go randomly shooting civilians.

2 posted on 04/16/2003 9:33:47 PM PDT by xJones
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To: knak
I don't trust ABC News to turn the papers over.
3 posted on 04/16/2003 9:35:38 PM PDT by Danette (I couldn't be a democrat. I hate having sand in my hair, eyes, nose, and mouth.*head in the sand*)
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To: knak
And ABC turned all this top secret stuff over to military officials immediately, right?
4 posted on 04/16/2003 9:35:39 PM PDT by Flora McDonald (Home of the Free, because of the Brave)
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To: knak
I have to say, I have been half-panicked watching video of the looters, and the newsmen saying that its ok, they're just looting government offices. Obviously, I don't care about office furniture or plumbing fixtures, but the thought of file drawers and hard-drives walking out the doors has me almost apoplectic.

This article says that the Ministries are being guarded, so that gives me a little peace of mind. My impression, from the newsmen who I hope are as clueless as usual, was that we were not paying enough attention to securing the files. I hope this article does not reflect the norm over there.
5 posted on 04/16/2003 9:38:00 PM PDT by marron
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To: knak
ABC has lots of time to piece together shredded documents, search mounds of paper and meet deadlines to produce the latest anti US claptrap.

Soldiers at war have other priorities. yitbos

6 posted on 04/16/2003 9:39:47 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: knak
ABC NEWS has failed to inform since a MUNTZ tv!!!!!!!
7 posted on 04/16/2003 9:44:59 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE (by taking)
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To: marron
IMO, we could have used more troops. I know that is an old complaint but if we had brought MP's for police work and to guard certain gov't buildings until we got out what we wanted, I would feel much better.

I have heard too much, "We cannot be everywhere." We could have certain offices, etc. targeted for security.

I also wish we had sent a division, or whatever, to do nothing but guard Syrian border.
8 posted on 04/16/2003 10:07:37 PM PDT by whadizit
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I also wish we had sent a division, or whatever, to do nothing but guard Syrian border.

Isn't the II MEF and 82nd Airborne somewhere at undisclosed locations in western Iraq? I think there are a few SAS units that way too.
9 posted on 04/16/2003 11:26:05 PM PDT by gaucho (NASA needs a new mission, something other then Aerospace.)
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To: gaucho
I meant from the start to keep regime leaders from escaping. I would assume by now there are troops, but I just heard Wm. la Jeneusse say there were so many things to take care of and troops are kind of thin.
10 posted on 04/16/2003 11:29:21 PM PDT by whadizit
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To: knak; xJones; Flora McDonald; marron; bruinbirdman; RIGHT IN SEATTLE; whadizit; gaucho
I have been catching up on my reading and saw this story about ABC finding these documents. I read your posts and I didn't see the following comment. I was wondering if you would take a second to re-read the story and help me with a few questions.

1. With intelligence and the special operations forces on the ground in Baghdad, do you think we knew about these 2 homes?
2. Which network has been a (fairly) vocal opponent of the war in Iraq (Petah' Jennings, in particular)?
3. Is it convenient or purposeful that "secret" documents were found that prove, without question, the brutality of the regime, something that a certain network has doubted?

"Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.'"
John 20:27

Is it possible that ABC was the doubting Thomas? Is it possible that they have just been given what Thomas needed...irrefutable proof?

They won't stop doubting and start believing the President, but on the Iraq issue, they are done. They have even found "secret" evidence.

11 posted on 04/17/2003 10:52:42 AM PDT by mattdono
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"It's a real picture of a very cruel man, but a man with a lot of personal problems," said Galbraith.

Uh, yeah. Sure, he fed people into shredders but the poor guy had issues...

12 posted on 04/17/2003 11:05:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: mattdono
1. With intelligence and the special operations forces on the ground in Baghdad, do you think we knew about these 2 homes? 2. Which network has been a (fairly) vocal opponent of the war in Iraq (Petah' Jennings, in particular)? 3. Is it convenient or purposeful that "secret" documents were found that prove, without question, the brutality of the regime, something that a certain network has doubted?

OCI is crafty, very crafty...
13 posted on 04/17/2003 4:22:25 PM PDT by gaucho (NASA needs a new mission, something other then Aerospace.)
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To: knak
huge numbers of secret Iraqi intelligence files and documents that could help lead to some of Saddam Hussein's most loyal followers — and, perhaps, Saddam himself.

I think the only thing that could 'help lead to Saddam himself' is a shovel.

14 posted on 04/17/2003 4:24:58 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: knak
Baer and Galbraith said they were astounded that U.S. forces had either failed to collect the documents or were unaware of their existence

We have relatively few troops in a country of millions of people. Perhaps if we develop the ability to put the same soldier in a hundred places at the same time, we will satisfy the critics.

15 posted on 04/17/2003 4:30:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Billthedrill
Do you know how hard it is to force someone into a shredding machine? (Aside from the struggling and kicking, I mean).

The truth is that the Hussein family had a lot of very unpleasent experiences and job related stresses to deal with. Is it any wonder that Uday turned to alcohol to help drown out the pain?

Maybe if some of the insensitive posters here had to cope with being despotic overlords, then the idea of feeding your comfort women to the animals in your private zoo wouldn't seem so unreasonable. Shooting your own relatives, slowly lowering people in acid, and videotaping the rape of your enemies family members can be very draining emotionally.

That they found creative ways of expressing their inner anguish should be a cause for celebration, not for condemnation.

16 posted on 04/17/2003 4:33:56 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Like water in a bucket.... calm but deadly...)
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