It's 'Gang Up on Franklin Graham' Time Again: Pentagon Sticking to Its Guns....

AgapePress ^ | April 16, 2003 | Fred Jackson and Jody Brown

[breakem]

you failed to address my original question and you continue preaching. I will not reply to you further on this thread unless you deal with your radical generalizations and tell me what these employees who follow such evil are doing in sensitive governmental agencies.

[breakem]

sad history and it continues.

[RAT Patrol]

Sell your rant to the Muslims/CAIR

I agree with Franklin Graham about Islam. I also believe that Muslims have the same rights to their beliefs as the rest of us do. They just don't have the right to criminal activity.

[FourtySeven]

Amen. Let me give you a "well-said" bump.

[RAT Patrol]

What that "sad" history reveals has little to do with religion and a lot to do with human nature. Mankind instinctively seeks God. We instinctively know that good and evil are not equal. The sad thing is that we are also instinctively greedy, arrogant, self-righteous, angry, etc.... In Christian theology that's described as the "sin nature" of man. Whether you agree with that definition or not, it's an undeniable reality. Mankind is capable of great evil OR great good. We make individual choices every day. Religion has played a part in both, but good and evil were not CREATED by religious belief. Religious belief is only an attempt to define it.

[rightwingreligiousfanatic]

While we have every right to believe a religion is evil and say so, some here on FR sound as if they think Islam should be outlawed. You have to understand that even if a group of Muslims believe they should kill us, they have not broken any laws until they conspire to actually do it. We can fight their bad beliefs with speech, friendship, righteous anger, whatever....but as soon as we cross the line into dictating what someone can and cannot believe we will have lit the torch that will destroy all religious freedom.

Very well said. Here's a quote from Alexander Solzhenitsyn that speaks to the same issue:

"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being and who is willing to destroy his (or her) own heart?" - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

While I am very concerned about the Radical Islamic threat to our nation, I think that you are right to point out that we should not pretend that we are completely pure ourselves, and need to guard against the destruction of religious freedom and the First Amendment....

This is not an easy issue to grapple with, and we must resist the (very strong) temptation to make this a "black and white" issue.

[george wythe]

Remedy seems to be a 'bot.

It the answer is not available in the clipboard, no pasting is possible.

[RAT Patrol]

I agree 100%!

[breakem]

If the 'bots would stop posting their litanies on some of these threads we could save half the bandwidth needed to run the site.

[trebb]

Your aanology doesn't hold water. Iraq was not evil, Saddam was. Islam is not evil some of the followers are extremists. Some christians have an idiotic interpretation of christianity. Does that make christianity and idiotic religion.

Answer my question about the employees. Why are they allowed to work there and why is it okay to have a minister there who insults their religion?

I agree the anology was not the best, but it was good enough for the rant. Iraq was not evil but some of its citizens were murdering terrorists. You can kick the dog all you want, but it will only bounce so many ways.

Would you have them fire people who make comments based on real-world observations? The "insults" were not aimed at Islaam, they were aimed at the so-called "Leaders" of Islaam for not condemning the terrorism. In fact, many of them tried to excuse or justify it. Under those conditions, if the Pope said it was OK to murder innocents because you weren't getting your way, the Catholic religion could be deemed evil. If you think someone who disdains Islaam shouldn't be working around people of the Islaam faith, you might be better motivated to find and stress the good points of the religion. It's a free country and, except for the fallout of politics, it's supposed to be OK to disagree and even dislike others just so long as you don't try to harm them. If you want to posit that having their religion demeaned "harms" them, I would have to say, grow up and grow a thicker skin and try to prove the nay-sayers wrong...

[breakem]

The behavior of extremists does not define the entire group. As I said earlier, does the presence of christian idiots paint all christianity as idiotic? Of course not. Did you expect Iraqis to speak out against Saddam and see their familes tortured and killed?

The presence of these employees indicates to me that they are doing their job or Rumsfeld would can them. They have a right to say, don't bring in this guy who insuts our religious beliefs. And I agree with them. Graham needs to learn how to respect the good and condemn the bad or he should stay inside during lightening storms.

[breakem]

btw, anyone who characterizes their comments as a rant is alright in my book. I often do the same. LOL!

[Gargantua]

It is unfair and prohibited by our system of free religion for Mr. Graham to be blamed for merely repeating what God's Bible has to say about the nature of false religions and false prophets... like Muhammed.

To ascribe to Mr. Graham any wrongdoing for saying that Islam is an evil religion begs two questions in response:

1: Have you ever seen a Christian with C-4 plastique-and-ball-bearings taped to his chest?

2: Do you have the right to tell God what His religion should look like?

The Bible teaches that there are many paths to Hell, but only one path to Salvation, and that path is belief in The Messiah, Jesus Christ; also that any who believe not in Christ but come "in the name of God" are deceivers doing Satan's work.

Mr. Graham not only has the right, but the obligation to call Islam just what it is... and evil, false religion peopled by deceived tools of Satan.

Mr. Grahamn says these things because the Bible demands it. "You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists." G. W. Bush, September, 2001

;-/

[Marysecretary]

I can't move mountains, but my God can!

[Marysecretary]

You say it's idiotic. Not me. Franklin Graham is a fine man and minister of God's Word. They couldn't do better in my opinion.

[Gargantua]

Graham's religion (Christianity) demands that he cause them (Muslims) to question and re-think their religious errors. America guarantees Mr. Graham's right to practice his religion, and if it makes the Muslims uneasy, that, too, is part of God's plan.

Islam is a tool of the deceiver, and he is Satan.

[Guenevere]

bttt

[breakem]

I can see he hasn't disrespected you. your definition of what a fine man is seems centerd on how he treats you and not how he treats others. Or is it okay to insult these followers of evil, who seem to not be following their religion very well since they seem like good employees.

[k2blader]

"One religion, regardless of the religion, does not have the veto right over another religion."

Gotta love it bump!

[breakem]

I can see you and he use the same paint brush. Since you're so into rights, then you will acknowledge the rights of these government employees to petition the government not to allow this rude, ignorant person who insulted their religion to speak at their place of employment.