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To: WhiskeyPapa
The words "secede" and "seceded" were terms of a later generation.

"I cannot but hope then, that the States which may be disposed to make a secession will think often and seriously on the consequences."
George Washington, Letter to Henry Knox, 17 Jun 1788, The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799, John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor, V. 29.

So much for that allegation.

Perpuetual in law means that no express duration is defined, not that it is permanent. To make more perfect means to "complete" something. The Articles were abandoned, the several states seceded from it. The Articles were not included or incorporated by inclusion in the Constitution. Unless your version has a few extra sentences unknown to the rest of the world.

In Federalist 9, Hamilton urges for ratification of the new confederacy writes, '[t]he latter [the consolidation of several smaller States into one great Confederacy] is that which immediately concerns the object under consideration.' He discusses the advantages of this proposed union, then writes this, 'the confederacy may be dissolved, and the confederates preserve their sovereignty.'

828 posted on 05/03/2003 9:12:40 PM PDT by 4CJ ('No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.' - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
The words "secede" and "seceded" were terms of a later generation.

"I cannot but hope then, that the States which may be disposed to make a secession will think often and seriously on the consequences."

George Washington, Letter to Henry Knox, 17 Jun 1788, The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799, John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor, V. 29.

So much for that allegation.

There is precious little in ther record from the framers regarding "secession", and not one framer can be quoted that there was such a thing as legal unilateral state secession.

Walt

830 posted on 05/04/2003 4:38:06 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
In Federalist 9...

The judicial power of the United States rests in the Supreme Court, not the Federalist Papers.

The Supreme Court referred to the secessionists as traitors and secessions acts and documents as null ad void.

Walt

833 posted on 05/04/2003 4:46:18 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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