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Boy sticks out Tongue, is Suspended
EL Paso Times ^ | 04.01.03

Posted on 04/14/2003 10:40:44 PM PDT by Coleus

Boy sticks out tongue, is suspended

David Crowder, El Paso Times

Sal Santana II, a 12-year-old Magoffin Middle School student, said he stuck his tongue out at a girl who declined his invitation to be his girlfriend. School district administrators viewed the incident as sexual harassment, suspended him for three days and are considering placing him in an alternative school.

"This is crazy," said Sal's mother, Silvia Santana. "It's a shame that a guy trying to be cute with a girl can get himself into this much trouble. I don't think he even knows what sexual harassment is."

El Paso school district spokesman Luis Villalobos said no one with the district can comment on the case, but he said the events leading to Sal's punishment were witnessed by a teacher at the Northeast El Paso middle school.

"This is a real sensitive issue, but nonetheless one that is covered in the student handbook, which we enforce," Villalobos said. "He's facing the discipline measure that's appropriate for the offense."

The school district has received four other reports of sexual harassment at the middle- and high- school levels this year, two of which were substantiated, Villalobos said.

Last year, four incidents -- two from middle schools -- were reported. Villalobos could not say what disciplinary actions the district took in any of the cases.

Silvia Santana and her husband, Salvador, have a meeting today with the district's director of student services, Gloria Boyer, who has the authority to set aside the planned disciplinary measures in Sal's case.

Salvador Santana said they will appeal to the school board if necessary and will probably sue the district regardless of what happens.

"It's got to be done because God knows how many other kids have been involved in something like this," Salvador Santana said, adding that his son has had no disciplinary problems in school this year.

He said the family received a detailed account of what allegedly occurred during a meeting last week with Magoffin Principal Rose Rios and a district representative.

"The teacher said he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth and waved at her like you were patting someone on the back and that that constitutes sexual harassment," Salvador Santana said. "She said the girl was upset and scared."

The district's student code of conduct states that "sexual harassment of a student by another student includes unwanted and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, whether by word, gesture or any other sexual conduct, including requests for sexual favors."

Sal said he doesn't remember receiving any instruction about sexual harassment in class. But Villalobos said Rios reported that there have been at least two training sessions for students this year.

Psychologist Karen Gold said it is not only important that students receive sexual harassment training in the sixth or seventh grade, but that they understand it, as well.

"There's a question mark: Was the lesson properly taught and learned?" Gold asked. "There's also a question here of the punishment fitting the crime."

She suggested that Sal should have been given an opportunity to apologize to the girl if his behavior was inappropriate.

"Not being able to make amends does not give the child the chance to learn the appropriate behavior," Gold said. "The school should be a training ground, not an arena for punishment. Teachers are there to teach, and kids are there to learn."

Sandra Lloyd, chairwoman of educational psychology at UTEP, said schools need to be sensitive to young students and careful in judging their actions.

"That's particularly true at that age when boys and girls are just beginning to get interested in each other," Lloyd said.

But, she said, "I have heard of some terrible examples of harassment at this age level, though this doesn't seem to sound like one.

"Sometimes the punishment may seem extreme, but on the other hand, if we don't have some kind of policy in place for this, then that is also a problem."

Some parents of seventh-graders at Magoffin Middle School were surprised to hear last week that a student was being disciplined for alleged sexual harassment.

"That's something new to me. I never heard of it," Eduardo Marquez said. "It's ridiculous to do that to a little boy. If he touched her or looked up her dress, that would be different."

Marquez said he knows from his son that there is a lot of pressure to have a girlfriend or boyfriend at the school.

"It's stupid," Mercedes Nolan said of Sal's punishment while waiting for her seventh-grade daughter. "But at 12, kids have no business going out on dates or anything. They should be studying."

Sexual harassment cases at high schools and middle schools in the area's three largest school districts:

El Paso: Five cases reported this year and four last year. No information was available about the disposition of the cases.

Ysleta: Information unavailable because the district has no specific category for sexual harassment complaints.

Socorro: Two students placed in alternative school this year. No cases of students suspended or sent to an alternative school last year.

David Crowder may be reached at dcrowder@elpasotimes.com


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To: Coleus
School district administrators viewed the incident as sexual harassment, suspended him for three days and are considering placing him in an alternative school.

Seems to me the administrators should be jailed for felony confinement under color of "administration". It obviously is a political judgment. Little girls do expect requests from boys and boys may have their own views about their refusals being hypocritical. But this is pointless, these are kids who did no harm and were simply left unsupervised by the said adminitrators.

81 posted on 04/17/2003 8:52:07 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Coleus
Last time I checked, the definition of "sexual harrassment" involved using your position of authority to try to obtain sexual favors. This reflects a classic liberal tactic - "redefine, then punish under the new definition"
82 posted on 04/17/2003 8:58:21 AM PDT by BSunday (Would you like a sexual harrass mint?)
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To: BSunday
Good point, thanks.
83 posted on 04/17/2003 9:16:11 AM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: moyden2000
Sounds like it was more lewd than the headline describes.

Yeah... when I read these deals I always figure there are parts of the story that aren't being told.

84 posted on 04/17/2003 9:20:14 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Coleus
So glad we left.
85 posted on 04/17/2003 9:23:18 AM PDT by Elric@Melnibone
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To: Coleus
This is indeed the furthering of the infamous slippery slop, giving girls/women the entitlement that forbids any boy/man from acting out perceived annoying behavior. How far is this from getting shot at for calling a bimbo a bit@h for letting her dog debase my lawn... or a wife shooting one's husband, or dropping off a newborn at a dumpsite... sick.....
What in the heck happened to Boys will be boys... An even better question is, who in the hell do women/girls think they are anyway, and what does the modern female really want, some limped wrist, cowering, sniveling, soothsayer!

BUT GIVE ME A REAL MAN. ONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO SHOW HIS FEELINGS, AND CAN COMMUNICATE ABOUT WHAT HE THINKS... BUT SOMETIMES (unspecified) TAKES TOTAL CHARGE AND ALWAYS EARNS ENOUGH (unspecified) TO GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT/NEED .(unspecified)..UNTIL THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND ABOUT THIS ARRAINGMENT (unspecified) AND LEAVES THEM HAVING TO PAY (unspecified) FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES ... BUT WILL LEARN TO LIVE without complaint, WITHOUT THEIR CHILDREN!!
Don't get me started...... sheesh

86 posted on 04/17/2003 10:11:15 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.cookingwithcarlo.com/index.html)
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To: FirstTomato
I think the real inappropriate behavior is to penalize little boys for being boys

Ah, the ol' boys will be boys defense. You really don't want to know what I feel about what you just wrote. That aside, the article stated *how* the boy wiggled his tongue. That particular wiggling isn't merely the standard stick out your tongue but was sexual in nature as in oral stimulation a la Clinton. As for as the punishment fitting the crime, well a swift kick in the pants and a bar of soap would be suit me but then the school must appease the PC crowd.

87 posted on 04/17/2003 10:21:51 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: carlo3b
Now I know how to get your goat up, lol. Read this book.

THE WAR AGAINST BOYS:How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684849577/qid=1010179628/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_3_1/002-0565676-2218456

http://umbc7.umbc.edu/~korenman/wmst/hoffsommers.html

http://www.friesian.com/sommers.htm

http://www.cblpolicyinstitute.org/waragainst.htm

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/11-24-00/harder.html
88 posted on 04/17/2003 10:46:11 AM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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89 posted on 04/17/2003 3:42:33 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
Ha! Politically correct out of control.
90 posted on 04/17/2003 6:42:08 PM PDT by Gal.5:1
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To: FirstTomato
Thank you.
91 posted on 04/17/2003 7:06:23 PM PDT by DougF
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To: FirstTomato
"I think the real inappropriate behavior is to penalize little boys for being boys.

And its especially inappropriate to be teaching little girls that they hold such power over other children, especially boys, that by simply screaming "harassment" you can ruin someone's life.

That's modern "feminism"."


Does anyone remember the Salem Witchcraft trials?
92 posted on 04/17/2003 7:09:50 PM PDT by DougF
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To: Coleus
2005 Headline “Intolerance reaches new heights!”

Homosexual high schooler wags tongue at heterosexual boy. Boy complains that this "grosses him out" and that it should stop.

Heterosexual boy is suspended for intolerance of alternative sexual life-styles that he was taught in sex-ed...
93 posted on 04/17/2003 7:25:04 PM PDT by DougF
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To: Coleus
Better get out of California as fast as possible...Uh, oh wait a minute......
94 posted on 04/21/2003 9:02:14 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Viiraxe
Trust me. There are ways to stick out your tongue that definately would be lewd and qualify as sexual harassment.

And I am quite sure this child is familiar with them.
95 posted on 04/21/2003 10:21:28 AM PDT by sharktrager
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To: Coleus
The dangers of sticking out your tongue at school:


96 posted on 04/21/2003 10:24:07 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Illbay
There are no rules anymore, and too many parents just dismiss whatever the kids do.

Or, worse, they mercilessly attack the teachers and principals, and sue everyone involved, for any perceived slight against their "perfect" child.

97 posted on 04/21/2003 10:27:39 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Charles Henrickson
LOL, thanks, I remember that movie,
98 posted on 04/21/2003 1:31:12 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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