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Boy sticks out Tongue, is Suspended
EL Paso Times ^ | 04.01.03

Posted on 04/14/2003 10:40:44 PM PDT by Coleus

Boy sticks out tongue, is suspended

David Crowder, El Paso Times

Sal Santana II, a 12-year-old Magoffin Middle School student, said he stuck his tongue out at a girl who declined his invitation to be his girlfriend. School district administrators viewed the incident as sexual harassment, suspended him for three days and are considering placing him in an alternative school.

"This is crazy," said Sal's mother, Silvia Santana. "It's a shame that a guy trying to be cute with a girl can get himself into this much trouble. I don't think he even knows what sexual harassment is."

El Paso school district spokesman Luis Villalobos said no one with the district can comment on the case, but he said the events leading to Sal's punishment were witnessed by a teacher at the Northeast El Paso middle school.

"This is a real sensitive issue, but nonetheless one that is covered in the student handbook, which we enforce," Villalobos said. "He's facing the discipline measure that's appropriate for the offense."

The school district has received four other reports of sexual harassment at the middle- and high- school levels this year, two of which were substantiated, Villalobos said.

Last year, four incidents -- two from middle schools -- were reported. Villalobos could not say what disciplinary actions the district took in any of the cases.

Silvia Santana and her husband, Salvador, have a meeting today with the district's director of student services, Gloria Boyer, who has the authority to set aside the planned disciplinary measures in Sal's case.

Salvador Santana said they will appeal to the school board if necessary and will probably sue the district regardless of what happens.

"It's got to be done because God knows how many other kids have been involved in something like this," Salvador Santana said, adding that his son has had no disciplinary problems in school this year.

He said the family received a detailed account of what allegedly occurred during a meeting last week with Magoffin Principal Rose Rios and a district representative.

"The teacher said he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth and waved at her like you were patting someone on the back and that that constitutes sexual harassment," Salvador Santana said. "She said the girl was upset and scared."

The district's student code of conduct states that "sexual harassment of a student by another student includes unwanted and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, whether by word, gesture or any other sexual conduct, including requests for sexual favors."

Sal said he doesn't remember receiving any instruction about sexual harassment in class. But Villalobos said Rios reported that there have been at least two training sessions for students this year.

Psychologist Karen Gold said it is not only important that students receive sexual harassment training in the sixth or seventh grade, but that they understand it, as well.

"There's a question mark: Was the lesson properly taught and learned?" Gold asked. "There's also a question here of the punishment fitting the crime."

She suggested that Sal should have been given an opportunity to apologize to the girl if his behavior was inappropriate.

"Not being able to make amends does not give the child the chance to learn the appropriate behavior," Gold said. "The school should be a training ground, not an arena for punishment. Teachers are there to teach, and kids are there to learn."

Sandra Lloyd, chairwoman of educational psychology at UTEP, said schools need to be sensitive to young students and careful in judging their actions.

"That's particularly true at that age when boys and girls are just beginning to get interested in each other," Lloyd said.

But, she said, "I have heard of some terrible examples of harassment at this age level, though this doesn't seem to sound like one.

"Sometimes the punishment may seem extreme, but on the other hand, if we don't have some kind of policy in place for this, then that is also a problem."

Some parents of seventh-graders at Magoffin Middle School were surprised to hear last week that a student was being disciplined for alleged sexual harassment.

"That's something new to me. I never heard of it," Eduardo Marquez said. "It's ridiculous to do that to a little boy. If he touched her or looked up her dress, that would be different."

Marquez said he knows from his son that there is a lot of pressure to have a girlfriend or boyfriend at the school.

"It's stupid," Mercedes Nolan said of Sal's punishment while waiting for her seventh-grade daughter. "But at 12, kids have no business going out on dates or anything. They should be studying."

Sexual harassment cases at high schools and middle schools in the area's three largest school districts:

El Paso: Five cases reported this year and four last year. No information was available about the disposition of the cases.

Ysleta: Information unavailable because the district has no specific category for sexual harassment complaints.

Socorro: Two students placed in alternative school this year. No cases of students suspended or sent to an alternative school last year.

David Crowder may be reached at dcrowder@elpasotimes.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Free Republic; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: children; education; educationnews; elpaso; itsjustsex; overreaction; putsomeiceonthat; school; students; texas; thisisseries; tx; zerotolerance
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To: Illbay
It will all come out in court if this woman sues as she threatened.
61 posted on 04/15/2003 6:23:57 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Eaker
Maybe the kid should be put on Ritalin so he doesn't act up anymore.
62 posted on 04/15/2003 6:24:45 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Illbay
My daughter's in sixth grade.

Well my daughter is in the seventh grade. Big deal. Some of the most depraved and disgusting things that I have seen and heard came from the fairer sex.

Once again you are wrong Bill.

63 posted on 04/15/2003 6:26:25 PM PDT by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: Coleus
Actually, he should probably have his tongue cut out. The way they do it in Iraq. I'm sure the feminazi teachers and administrators in his school (male and female)would go along with that.
64 posted on 04/15/2003 6:27:42 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: ladylib
It's just too bad that most people don't know about the Rutherford Institute and their services. I contacted them once and they won't do anything unless a parent contacts them, they do not "seek" out cases either.
65 posted on 04/15/2003 6:29:11 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
Maybe the kid should be put on Ritalin so he doesn't act up anymore.

Nope, I stick with murdering him in the most horrible way so that the other kids will learn a lesson. His punishment in no way fit as is, so why not turn the heat up a little more.

We will turn America into Saddam's Iraq as long as we keep going this way.

66 posted on 04/15/2003 6:31:00 PM PDT by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: Coleus
All public schools have elected school boards to oversee the administrations. If the people of the district have a grievance, they have a means of redress. If they sanction it through inaction, then all who might consider living there have something to ponder.
67 posted on 04/15/2003 6:31:06 PM PDT by motor_racer
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To: Coleus
Adults behave worse than this and get away with it. This is truly an EXTREME punishment for sticking out a tongue.
68 posted on 04/15/2003 6:36:37 PM PDT by nmh
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To: motor_racer
All public schools have elected school boards to oversee the administrations>>>

I agree, and it's "most" public schools have elected boards.
69 posted on 04/15/2003 6:36:45 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
Leave it to liberals to think that sticking out a tongue equals sexual harassment or pertains to sex. They ALWAYS have SEX on their minds. Always.
70 posted on 04/15/2003 6:37:38 PM PDT by nmh
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To: motor_racer
Not all school boards are elected. In my state, most are, but in some towns, the are appointed by the mayor.

School boards usually rubber stamp what the school administration decides.

Sometimes, it's just better to take it to court.
71 posted on 04/15/2003 6:37:40 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: CarmelValleyite
I attended California public schools during the sixties and seventies. The sixties didn't have any of that PC nonsense, but by the time I was in high school in the late 70's it was really starting to get going. They spent more time talking about Cinco De Mayo than they did talking about July 4th. They taught more about Ceasar Chavez than they did about George Washington.

It's gotten much worse since then.
72 posted on 04/15/2003 6:44:20 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Coleus; dighton; general_re; Poohbah; hellinahandcart
Psychologist Karen Gold said it is not only important that students receive sexual harassment training in the sixth or seventh grade, but that they understand it, as well.

What kind of perverts want to teach sexual harassment?

73 posted on 04/15/2003 6:50:39 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (| 8^)
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To: bchapin
ping
74 posted on 04/15/2003 7:02:42 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Many psychologists need help themselves. Let's face it, the schools have been taken over by the socialists, perverts, homosexuals, etc. It looks like America already has surrendered to the UN.
75 posted on 04/15/2003 7:04:53 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
That didn't register at first. My mind is going . . . . .
76 posted on 04/15/2003 8:48:05 PM PDT by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique)
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To: Coleus
"...."The teacher said he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth and waved at her like you were patting someone on the back...."

Seems to me the teacher got turned on by the innocent gesture, which would have only got me stuck in the corner for a while. But then I went to a gender segregated elementary school, and the nuns lived a moral ethic that makes today's teachers appear to have the mindset of a hooker.

Suspended? This is an unadulterated power trip, practiced on defenseless kids. The admin is as sick as the teacher.

As for the kid's old man; he must be so old he's forgotten his response to girls after puberty.

If public schools were serious about making their campuses centers of learning, they would have segregated them by gender long ago. However, they are brainwashed by the sex that inundates the public in print, film and electronic medium. Constant sexual innuendo embedded in the public's collective brain is the root of the reaction against this poor kid.

Thanks Hollywood and Madison Avenue. The only secret Victoria has is her cup size.

Madison must be turning in his grave at the thought that his name is associated with the sexual innuendo employed to manipulate the public mind.

Pity the manipulated, for they know not what they do.

77 posted on 04/16/2003 10:36:04 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Coleus
This crap is getting waaay out of hand. A spit-wad is now an assault.
78 posted on 04/16/2003 10:37:50 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Zon
Think about it, "student should be taught sexual harassment training", what sort of moronic PC bile has so defiled the education of children that sexual harassment training would ever enter picture let alone a bureaucrat's mind.

Whenever I hear stories like this, I am reminded of a National Geographic article on North Korea from sometime in the '70's. In the article, there was a photo of an elementary school classroom, where there were cartoons on the wall showing small children shooting automatic weapons at a "U.S. imperialist monster". I remember thinking at the time how much more advanced we were than those animals, who would use mere children to advance their murderous political agenda.

When we start inflicting politics on the lives of children at such young ages, we stoop to the level of Kim Jong-Il and the rest of the Stalinist maniacs in Pyongyang. My only hope is that people will begin to notice the leftist insanity that pervades the public school bureaucracy and pull their children out and either homeschool them or send them to private schools that are not tainted by leftist political agendas.

79 posted on 04/16/2003 11:39:13 AM PDT by bassmaner (Let's take back the word "liberal" from the commies!!)
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To: Illbay
Now, that is funny!!! Never thought of it in that manner. Very original!
80 posted on 04/17/2003 12:45:31 AM PDT by USMMA_83
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