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Boy sticks out Tongue, is Suspended
EL Paso Times ^ | 04.01.03

Posted on 04/14/2003 10:40:44 PM PDT by Coleus

Boy sticks out tongue, is suspended

David Crowder, El Paso Times

Sal Santana II, a 12-year-old Magoffin Middle School student, said he stuck his tongue out at a girl who declined his invitation to be his girlfriend. School district administrators viewed the incident as sexual harassment, suspended him for three days and are considering placing him in an alternative school.

"This is crazy," said Sal's mother, Silvia Santana. "It's a shame that a guy trying to be cute with a girl can get himself into this much trouble. I don't think he even knows what sexual harassment is."

El Paso school district spokesman Luis Villalobos said no one with the district can comment on the case, but he said the events leading to Sal's punishment were witnessed by a teacher at the Northeast El Paso middle school.

"This is a real sensitive issue, but nonetheless one that is covered in the student handbook, which we enforce," Villalobos said. "He's facing the discipline measure that's appropriate for the offense."

The school district has received four other reports of sexual harassment at the middle- and high- school levels this year, two of which were substantiated, Villalobos said.

Last year, four incidents -- two from middle schools -- were reported. Villalobos could not say what disciplinary actions the district took in any of the cases.

Silvia Santana and her husband, Salvador, have a meeting today with the district's director of student services, Gloria Boyer, who has the authority to set aside the planned disciplinary measures in Sal's case.

Salvador Santana said they will appeal to the school board if necessary and will probably sue the district regardless of what happens.

"It's got to be done because God knows how many other kids have been involved in something like this," Salvador Santana said, adding that his son has had no disciplinary problems in school this year.

He said the family received a detailed account of what allegedly occurred during a meeting last week with Magoffin Principal Rose Rios and a district representative.

"The teacher said he stuck his tongue out and moved it back and forth and waved at her like you were patting someone on the back and that that constitutes sexual harassment," Salvador Santana said. "She said the girl was upset and scared."

The district's student code of conduct states that "sexual harassment of a student by another student includes unwanted and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, whether by word, gesture or any other sexual conduct, including requests for sexual favors."

Sal said he doesn't remember receiving any instruction about sexual harassment in class. But Villalobos said Rios reported that there have been at least two training sessions for students this year.

Psychologist Karen Gold said it is not only important that students receive sexual harassment training in the sixth or seventh grade, but that they understand it, as well.

"There's a question mark: Was the lesson properly taught and learned?" Gold asked. "There's also a question here of the punishment fitting the crime."

She suggested that Sal should have been given an opportunity to apologize to the girl if his behavior was inappropriate.

"Not being able to make amends does not give the child the chance to learn the appropriate behavior," Gold said. "The school should be a training ground, not an arena for punishment. Teachers are there to teach, and kids are there to learn."

Sandra Lloyd, chairwoman of educational psychology at UTEP, said schools need to be sensitive to young students and careful in judging their actions.

"That's particularly true at that age when boys and girls are just beginning to get interested in each other," Lloyd said.

But, she said, "I have heard of some terrible examples of harassment at this age level, though this doesn't seem to sound like one.

"Sometimes the punishment may seem extreme, but on the other hand, if we don't have some kind of policy in place for this, then that is also a problem."

Some parents of seventh-graders at Magoffin Middle School were surprised to hear last week that a student was being disciplined for alleged sexual harassment.

"That's something new to me. I never heard of it," Eduardo Marquez said. "It's ridiculous to do that to a little boy. If he touched her or looked up her dress, that would be different."

Marquez said he knows from his son that there is a lot of pressure to have a girlfriend or boyfriend at the school.

"It's stupid," Mercedes Nolan said of Sal's punishment while waiting for her seventh-grade daughter. "But at 12, kids have no business going out on dates or anything. They should be studying."

Sexual harassment cases at high schools and middle schools in the area's three largest school districts:

El Paso: Five cases reported this year and four last year. No information was available about the disposition of the cases.

Ysleta: Information unavailable because the district has no specific category for sexual harassment complaints.

Socorro: Two students placed in alternative school this year. No cases of students suspended or sent to an alternative school last year.

David Crowder may be reached at dcrowder@elpasotimes.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Free Republic; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: children; education; educationnews; elpaso; itsjustsex; overreaction; putsomeiceonthat; school; students; texas; thisisseries; tx; zerotolerance
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To: LittleRedRooster
What in the world would make the behavior inappropriate, 12 year old boys have been sticking there tongues out at 12 year old girls for hundreds of years.

Pierced tongues and Lewinskies. The 1990s were not good for America...

21 posted on 04/15/2003 12:59:15 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: Coleus
If sex education classes need to teach about fisting and safe use of S&M whips (careful of sharing blood) and sex toys then they should be teaching heterosexual students appropriate manner of non-offensive flirting.
22 posted on 04/15/2003 1:01:18 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: xm177e2
ANY punishment beyond the principal telling him, "Bubba, knock it off." (to quote a fondly remembered figure of my yoot.) is rediculous.Although the kid DID learn an important lesson about the perfidy of educrats.
23 posted on 04/15/2003 5:41:33 AM PDT by Rifleman
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To: Coleus
Sounds like somebody has been watching "Scarface" on cable too many times.
24 posted on 04/15/2003 5:48:57 AM PDT by strela ("... he's a spy and a girl delighter")
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To: Coleus
"In other news, GLSEN announced its new education program for Texas public schools. 'We will be focusing on teaching the children--many of whom, whether they know it or not, are definitely Gay and Lesbian--of the use of the tongue as an expression of carnal love.

"'As the tongue is the most common means of pleasure among Gays and Lesbians, we thought we'd begin this essential educational initiative right at the heart of the matter,' the GLSEN spokes-er-person explained.

"The El Paso school district has heartily endorsed the GLSEN initiative, and compulsory training will begin at the Middle School level immediately."
25 posted on 04/15/2003 6:41:35 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Billy_bob_bob
"Caught in the clutches of the socialist state?"

Oh, give it a rest.

The kid can attend a private school, or be homeschooled if the parents desire.

Let's not overstate things.
26 posted on 04/15/2003 6:43:47 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: xm177e2
I wonder if there have not been other instances with this kid.

My daughter's in sixth grade. Some of the boys in her grade are disgusting. There are no rules anymore, and too many parents just dismiss whatever the kids do.

"Feminism" is part of the problem, but the whole of the problem is a complete breakdown in societal morals.
27 posted on 04/15/2003 6:49:26 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Coleus
I don't think he even knows what sexual harassment is.

Neither do I. How could we as the meaning depends on which leftist is speaking at the moment.

28 posted on 04/15/2003 6:51:21 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: eggman; LittleRedRooster; xm177e2; Billy_bob_bob; Drammach; All
LittleRedRooster;xm177e2;Billy_bob_bob;Drammach;All

Boy sticks out Tongue, is Suspended

Making a public example of a trivial offense is a very effective intimidation tool.

An effective indoctrination tool.

Psychologist Karen Gold said it is not only important that students receive sexual harassment training in the sixth or seventh grade, but that they understand it, as well.

"There's a question mark: Was the lesson properly taught and learned?" Gold asked. "There's also a question here of the punishment fitting the crime."

This article does is good for exposing the indoctrination that takes place in public education. Children should be taught thinking skills. How to use their minds to identify pertinent pieces of information and bring them together into a context where they can then make assessments and judgments and from there create a plan of action. A twelve years old the girl should already have the thinking skills to put across to the boy that with that type of immature behavior most girls will turn you down, and for good reason -- grow up."

Of course, along with having been taught effective thinking skills comes other insights to good quality character development and thus it is improbable that they boy would have acted as he did.

Think about it, "student should be taught sexual harassment training", what sort of moronic PC bile has so defiled the education of children that sexual harassment training would ever enter picture let alone a bureaucrat's mind.

It's not abut the children. It's about the bureaucrats and politicians creating problems where none need exist in the first place. Creating boogieman problems so they can feign compassion and proclaim to make things right as a means to establish their job security.

However, they have built a house of cards based on their own fabricated illusions. There is no problem. Save for the problems that they themselves created, which is their house of cards.

"But at 12, kids have no business going out on dates or anything. They should be studying."

On Friday night and or Saturday night I could usually be found with my girlfriend. Many of us in our group were the same. Friday night is not study time. It is the time that the school-work week is over and time to spend on your own interests. It has always been like that.

29 posted on 04/15/2003 6:56:44 AM PDT by Zon
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To: goldstategop
He's gonna end up as the cellmate of the kid who got cuffed and arrested for jumping in water puddles. (Freep thread yesterday)
30 posted on 04/15/2003 6:58:12 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Bumperootus!)
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To: Coleus
It doesn't appear that this delinquent just stuck his tongue out in a normal manner of disgust. It appears there was a perverted connotation involved here.

Suspension justified.
31 posted on 04/15/2003 6:59:32 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: moyden2000
I'll just bet you're right.
32 posted on 04/15/2003 7:01:32 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: ZULU
"It appears there was a perverted connotation involved here."
That's a stretch, but let's suppose you are correct. Do you think the punishment would be the same if a girl had stuck her tongue out at a boy? The perversion is the testosterone ban being enforced by feminized educators.
33 posted on 04/15/2003 7:07:27 AM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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To: Coleus
It's not like the kid was doing this:


34 posted on 04/15/2003 7:08:57 AM PDT by A2J
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To: Coleus
Boy sticks out Tongue, is Suspended

I wonder what they would do if he wore a shirt like this one?


35 posted on 04/15/2003 7:14:52 AM PDT by u-89
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To: ambrose
These liberal NEA Feminazis are CRAZY!

A rat is a dog is a pig is a feminist (with profound apologies to rats, dogs and pigs)...

36 posted on 04/15/2003 8:25:59 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: Billy_bob_bob
As we become more and more Bolshevised>>>>

Yep, people tell me I'm crazy when I warn them about the UN and how they more or less have taken over many countries.
37 posted on 04/15/2003 9:19:04 AM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: goldstategop
Some Zero Tolerance Threads
38 posted on 04/15/2003 9:20:46 AM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Illbay
GLSEN Threads on FR
39 posted on 04/15/2003 9:34:13 AM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
I think it's funny when people express fear of the U.N.!

H*ll, they can't even keep two primitive African tribes from fighting!
40 posted on 04/15/2003 9:37:03 AM PDT by Illbay
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