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The Union And Confederacy Contradictions In Freedoms And Rights
The Sierra Times ^ | April 10,2003 | Dorothy Anne Seese

Posted on 04/14/2003 8:52:11 PM PDT by Aurelius

The founding fathers of the United States of America knew exactly what they meant by freedom, or liberty, and the liberty for which they fought and established this nation.

I'm concerned that our generation doesn't understand liberty. It is the right to make free choices within the boundaries of laws that protect the citizens. Freedom is the right to live one's life according to one's own choices, also within a framework of laws designed to protect people from one another.

Freedom is not anarchy and it is not "government" or unauthorized control of one set of people by another. Anarchy obliterates freedom because it takes its own as being superior to that of others. Government control is the antithesis of freedom because laws enacted by the few without the consent of the many are the substance of tyranny.

It is decidedly regretful that the Union won over the Confederacy and that the fiction of emancipation of the slaves was used as the cover-up and many people to this very day, if they know there was a War between the Union and the Confederacy, believe that Lincoln freed the slaves and that the North was morally superior to the South ... the former being good and the latter being evil. That such a myth could be foist upon the American people in the first place is bad. That it should persist to this very day is absurd, an evidence of the lack of substance in our system of education.

Union was not the objective of the founders. King George III (the British king, not the present George II) made an agreement with the thirteen individual colonies, not with Washington D.C. or a union called the United States. The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights enumerating what government may not do, stated clearly that states' rights prevailed over any government power not specifically delegated to the central authority.

For many years the moniker "states' rights" has meant -- to most Americans -- the right to forced segregation and prior to that, the belief in the benefits of slavery. Actually, at the time the Union was fighting the Confederacy, "northern" states also had legalized slavery. All slavery was ended by the Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln was credited with freeing the slaves but in actuality, the power of the Christian faith and the idea that one person might own another person were moving like a Bradley fighting vehicle though nineteenth century thought. Slavery was wrong. It would have disappeared from the South under far friendlier terms had the Confederacy survived.

Additionally, the survival of the Confederacy would have prevented America's future ills by prohibiting the federal government from seizing powers that belong to the states via Supreme Court interpretations and opinions that override the original Constitution and Bill of Rights without power to do so, other than that granted by the courts to themselves.

Why is this important? Because the more Union we have the less unity we have as a nation and the less freedom we have as individuals. Just as cultures differ between nations, they differ in regions of large nations.

The plain fact is, the United States was designed to be a confederacy and not a centralized union. The idea of union simply crops out as some individuals saw "needs" that were more in their own ideas than in the facts of the time. What Lincoln did was not to free the slaves as much as to make slaves of us all to the Union system of centralized, powerful government that has now grown into a budding monarchy.

Various documentaries have tagged Lincoln's many failures and then shifted gears to show his outstanding "success" as the man who liberated the slaves. Malarkey. In the 1820's there was a plan afoot by the churches and some states, with the approval of the fed, to buy Liberia (which was done, incidentally, and I think the US would do well to enforce its ownership of that piece of Africa) as a home for all blacks who wished to return to their native land. It could now be used as a base for saving white Afrikaners and others who oppose the African National Congress and other communist/Marxist organizations that are destroying the people and animals of the dark continent while raping its enormous mineral wealth.

As I said, slavery was on its way out long before Lincoln. His contribution, if it can be called that, was not in freeing the slaves but in establishing union over confederacy as the governmental model for the USA.

What we would not have if we had a confederacy as originally constructed is a burgeoning bureaucracy where the idea of control of the masses grows like toxic mold amidst the marshes of government employees and departments, bureaus and administrations so that it is hardly known just how much money the government actually spends, on what, with what results, and at what cost to the people. No federal income tax could have been perpetrated on a confederacy. With a union, it was a cinch, legal or not.

Even at the birth of this nation there were those on hand who wanted a strong central government rather than a free confederacy of sovereign states.

When the Union won, this nation was on its way to a quasi-monarchy or oligarchy that the founders would have found reprehensible, noxious and contrary to the intent of the entire Revolutionary war. The moment much power is vested in or appropriated, unchallenged, by a central government and a central leader, then the freedoms guaranteed to the people become privileges extended to the masses by the elites. That is precisely the opposite of the original intent of creating the US.

If we were a confederacy, then each state would have to debate whether or not we wished to go to war, and Congress would not dare delegate its constitutional responsibilities to the executive branch. Executive orders would be few, far between, issued in emergencies only, and never used as a substitute for legislation that a president feels he might not receive from Congress.

A confederacy would put a sudden halt to the bizarre globalist world. A sovereign nation comprised of sovereign states would never go along with the objectives and tyranny of globalism, so the question of America becoming a part of the Global Village would be totally moot. It could not, would not happen.

Each state could defend its own borders with our neighbors to the south and north of us, protecting the persons and property of the owners and occupants of the land and with undisputed authority to do so. As it is, a whole bunch of ineffective government agencies are figuring out ways not to offend illegal aliens to the detriment and endangerment of our own citizens.

This travesty on freedom is ridiculous and deadly.

Over two hundred and fifty thousand Americans died on U.S. soil in the war between the North and the South or, more correctly, between the Union and the Confederacy.

Oddly enough, our strongest patriots are still in the South. The North is home to most of the liberals who have not only joined hands with the globalists but have led the march toward tyranny and anti-American sentiments that delight our enemies abroad.

In its own way, the war between the Union and the Confederacy not only devastated the South for generations, but it paved the way for all those ills that now plague us by reason of a strong, bloated and tyrannical central government.

Slavery would have been abolished eventually in every state. Public pressure and churches would have eventually caused abolition to come to pass.

What we would not have is slaves of all colors to a federalized regime that is totally out of control by the people who are supposed to be the "consenting governed."

If we don't consent then we are tagged as enemies of the state. More properly, the nation.

Meantime, our freedoms have been absorbed, abrogated or negated by a central government against which there is, absent a time machine, no way to control or downsize.

Thanks a bunch, Abe.


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To: SCDogPapa
"The Constitution was to control the Federal Government only."

Exactly. Too bad some people just don't get it.

61 posted on 04/15/2003 11:54:13 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: jlogajan
You seem confused on several points. Because they had seceded, which was understood to always be an option when the Constitution was ratified, the states of the Confederacy were no longer subject to the U.S. Constitution.

The South did not "rush to declare war to spread slavery". The war was forced on them by Lincoln who did not wish to see the revenue from tariffs on the South lost to the furtherance of his mercantilist schemes.
62 posted on 04/15/2003 11:56:18 AM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Sam's Army
So, because of the outcome, no state should be allowed to have a flag with the Stars and Bars? And if any should dare, why, we will proscribe the freedom of every voter in that state, and then the state itself, to fly a flag based on the stars and bars! Why? Because as you said, war settles debates -- and brute force is required to keep the rebels down and to make sure they never remember that there never was anything but a centralized union. Purge the history books, purge the flags, for everyone must agree, and those who do not, well, violence is reserved for them too, huh? That's the logical extension of your freedom-sapping policies.
63 posted on 04/15/2003 11:57:50 AM PDT by =Intervention= (so freaking sick of the lies...)
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To: Illbay
You got your facts wrong again, Illbay. Booth shouted out "Sic Semper Tyrannis!" as he fired -- for the Latin-impaired, "Thus always to tyrants." I don't agree with murder, but Lincoln's suspending the Constitution, putting the nation under martial law, shutting down presses with which he disagreed, among other things, lead me to appreciate Booth's sentiments.
64 posted on 04/15/2003 12:00:48 PM PDT by =Intervention= (so freaking sick of the lies...)
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To: Non-Sequitur
It was a union of soveriegn states -- the ability to withdraw from the union is part of that sovereignity. Go and learn.
65 posted on 04/15/2003 12:01:45 PM PDT by =Intervention= (so freaking sick of the lies...)
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To: an amused spectator
"I don't think the Founding Fathers envisioned the child of their making ruled by ten or eleven cities."

That's because the Founding Fathers expected a more distributed system of control, such that the states had more say in the daily affairs of people instead of the federal gov't. If that were still the case then it wouldn't be possible to hamstring the whole country by the whims of a handful of (mostly) liberal large cities.
66 posted on 04/15/2003 12:02:54 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Illbay
More mind-control from Illbay, who can't seem to figure out history to save his life. God forbid that we champion the state's right to leave the Union, which is actually a state's right since it is sovereign. If that marks me a traitor, then I am on the same side of history as Patrick Henry. Life can't be all that bad.
67 posted on 04/15/2003 12:04:37 PM PDT by =Intervention= (so freaking sick of the lies...)
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To: =Intervention=
Booth considered Lincoln a "Tyrant" because he was going to allow "niggers" to vote.

He made that statement on many occasions before the assassination.

The Civil War was fought over slavery, and its only lasting legacy was the ending of slavery many decades before it would have ended otherwise.
68 posted on 04/15/2003 12:13:15 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: =Intervention=
States have no right to leave the Union.

That's now been settled.

In particular, you have no right to commit acts of treason against the government because you don't like the outcome of the election.

Or do you support the Democrats and their Leftie buddies who've done nothing but scream and yell about Bush since November 2000?

Or is it (as is more likely) simply that when you like something, it's legal, and when you don't it's not?

Geez, I always feel like I'm arguing with a bunch of teenage boys on these threads.
69 posted on 04/15/2003 12:15:27 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Aurelius
The South did not "rush to declare war to spread slavery". The war was forced on them by Lincoln

Many southern states had seceded before Lincoln was even sworn into office. In their articles of secession, they ranted about protecting slavery.

70 posted on 04/15/2003 12:19:24 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: =Intervention=
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want."
- William Tecumseh Sherman

The South chose war, rather than abandon their dreams of extending slavery.

71 posted on 04/15/2003 12:20:10 PM PDT by jdege
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To: =Intervention=
It was a union of soveriegn states -- the ability to withdraw from the union is part of that sovereignity. Go and learn.

Advocates of slavery peg the laugh meter when they demand "sovereignty."

72 posted on 04/15/2003 12:23:16 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Aurelius
It does not seem to me that state governments have, by their nature, any more respect for individual rights than the federal government.

73 posted on 04/15/2003 12:26:03 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Iraq was liberated in my name, how about yours?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
All slavery was ended by the Emancipation Proclamation

You're correct. All slavery was NOT ended by the EP.

No federal income tax could have been perpetrated on a confederacy

Open to debate.

Over two hundred and fifty thousand Americans died on U.S. soil in the war between the North and the South

What are your numbers? I have varying totals.

74 posted on 04/15/2003 12:26:47 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: =Intervention=
Or is it (as is more likely) simply that when you like something, it's legal, and when you don't it's not?

Illbay has been here long enough to know that this is what the Democrat Party is actually trying to implement by blocking Bush's federal judicial appointees. All you need is about 2000 black-robed clowns ruling that whatever the Dems like is legal, and whatever the Dems don't like is "illegal" and "unconstitutional". The Supreme Court's ruling on the Dred Scott case is still in the law books, I would wager. Does that make it "legal"? ;-)

We've already seen that Bill Clinton liked perjuring himself, and last time I checked, he wasn't prosecuted for it.

75 posted on 04/15/2003 12:37:03 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Show me where is specifically allows unilateral secession and I'll agree with you."

I thought that it was a general principle of Anglo Saxon Law that:

All is permitted that is not expressly forbidden.

while only totalitarian regimes follow the principle that:

All is forbidden which is not expressly permitted.

76 posted on 04/15/2003 12:38:45 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Non-Sequitur
"All slavery was ended by the Emancipation Proclamation..."

I thought that even pro-Union historians accepted that the only purpose intended of the Emancipation Proclamation (aside from the slight hope it might lure some seceded states back into the Union with the hope they might then keep their slaves) and the only purpose that it actually served, was to sway British and European opinion to favor the Union.

77 posted on 04/15/2003 12:45:19 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: =Intervention=
War is hell on women and children. Nobody to blame but the southern men who started that one -just as the survivors of Iraq have nobody to blame but their own oligarchy that started this one.
78 posted on 04/15/2003 12:46:26 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (running and hiding behind the 21st Century version of the Maginot Line is not an option)
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To: =Intervention=
Relax.

A state can have any flag it wants as its STATE flag in my opinion (yes, including the confederate flag or some version thereof. Even if it was revived just to annoy the blacks wanting to sit anywhere on a bus). My comment is that the southern states belong to the good ol' USofA (God bless her) and therefore fly the Stars and Stripes as the flag representing what nation they belong to.

Seperatists lost the war, and we are therefore united and better off for that loss today.

Maybe it wasn't such a great idea to fire on Ft Sumter after all.

79 posted on 04/15/2003 1:07:41 PM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: canalabamian
I'm not sure there is such a thing as free labor. I know I don't work for free. Slaves didn't get wages, but the owners surley had to provide for them if they were to live very long. Not free labor from the owners point of view either. The immigrant labor force in the North wasn't free labor either. Low wages, abysmal working conditions were more akin to indentured servitude.

Classic logical fallacy. You have invoked the word free under two different definitions of the word, and conflated them to mean the same. Free in the first sentance denotes the ability to determine one's own employment. Free in the succeeding sentances denotes monitary cost.

80 posted on 04/15/2003 1:20:18 PM PDT by LexBaird
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