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OUCH: "White House Favors Renewing Gun Ban"
Gun Owners of America ^ | 4/14/03 | GOA

Posted on 04/14/2003 7:48:25 PM PDT by pabianice

Bad News for Gun Owners -- White House says it favors keeping unconstitutional gun ban

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert

8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151

Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408

http://www.gunowners.org

Monday, April 14, 2003) -- In a surprise move this past weekend, the Bush administration announced its support for keeping the Clinton-Feinstein gun ban on the books.

The law, which bans common household firearms, is set to expire in September, 2004. But the Knight Ridder news agency had a startling revelation for readers on Saturday.

"The president supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

The "current law" McClellan was referring to is the ban on semi-automatic firearms and magazines (over 10 rounds) which was introduced by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California and then-Representative Chuck Schumer of New York.

The ban narrowly passed in both houses and was signed by President Bill Clinton in 1994.

Most bad legislation lives on forever. But in an effort to corral fence-sitters in Congress, Senator Feinstein inserted a "sunset" provision into the bill. This provision means that the ban expires in ten years -- specifically, in September of 2004.

At the time, the sunset provision didn't seem like much of a victory. But it soon became clear that this provision would be our best hope for repealing the notorious gun grab. Recently, it was beginning to look like gun owners would have a better than average chance of winning.

Until the announcement this past weekend.

The White House's statement means that people will not be able to rely upon a presidential veto if Congress musters enough votes to extend the ban in the near future.

Despite the fact that both the House and Senate are controlled by Republicans, the majority of Congressmen are either fence-sitters or anti-gun.

It is quite possible that the gun grabbers can get 51 votes in the Senate and 218 votes in the House to reauthorize the semi-auto ban and make it permanent.

This makes the recent announcement all the more distressing. But Bush's position is not written in stone -- at least not yet.

Because the above quote was not made by the President himself or by his primary spokesman, Ari Fleischer, there is still some "wiggle room" that will allow the President to reverse course and do the right thing.

THAT IS WHY IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT EVERY GUN OWNER WRITE THE PRESIDENT AND URGE HIM TO REMAIN TRUE TO HIS CONSTITUTIONAL OATH OF OFFICE.

George Bush is President today because gun owners went to the polls and voted for him over Al Gore in 2000. Pro-gun voters delivered three key Democratic states -- Tennessee, West Virginia and Arkansas -- and with those states, the victory went to Bush.

This would be a horrible mistake if the President were to turn his back on gun owners and take a page out of the Clinton-Gore playbook.

Perhaps this statement over the weekend was a "trial balloon." We can only hope so. If it was a trial balloon, then we need to "shoot it down" in a hurry.

It is absolutely vital that we succeed in inundating the White House in opposition to this ban. This unconstitutional law must be repealed. Otherwise, it will be used as a precedent to ban even more guns.

Contact the President today. Please visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
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To: bybybill
Yep your right as well. Welcome to the stupid club
141 posted on 04/15/2003 9:48:52 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: Teacher317
The difference was he thought he couldn't get re-elected while vtoing CFR while he knows he can't get re-elected by signing the AWB.

I'm sure someone will call me a bushbot or something but I'm not a koolaid drinker for anyone.

My wife and I are still ticked about the lack of effort to close our southern border.
142 posted on 04/15/2003 10:05:43 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (.45 .46, whatever it takes)
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To: epow
"AND HE SAID HE SUPPORTED IT AND WOULD SIGN A BILL TO RENEW IT IF HE WAS ELECTED. On a later occasion when the subject was raised again, he added that when the law came up for renewal he would also ask for an additional clause prohibiting importation of pre-ban hi-capcity magazines which had been grandfathered in by the original AW law. Those are facts, and no "nuances" added by a spokesman can change them one way or the other.
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Yup. This is nothing new. RKBA folks need to realize that the Republican Party is no more committed to their point of view than the Democrats. Like the Libertarians, RKBA fanatics are a tiny minority of voters. Whether that's good or bad is irrelevant. It's just the fact.
143 posted on 04/15/2003 10:24:17 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: Teacher317
When you cut off your nose to spite your face, please look elsewhere. It is such a messy act.
144 posted on 04/15/2003 11:18:31 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: .30Carbine
That was tax cuts. Different matter entirely

No, it was not tax cuts; it was Bush's ban on the importation of semi-autos that lost him the gun rights voters. Bush lost some votes in other groups to the betrayal of the "no new taxes" pledge, but considering that he was highly praised in the press for showing the "wisdom" to know when to "compromise", the tax issue lost him fewer votes. After all, all those democratic voters crossed over to vote for him for the tax increase like they're going to cross over to vote for his son for the gun ban renewal, right?

Look at the posts on this thread alone for verification that the pro-2ndA crowd is divided on this issue

The "pro-2ndA" crowd isn't divided; those that are arguing the "vote for Bush anyway" side are only giving lip service to the Constitution; they are not now nor have they ever been part of the gun-rights lobby. Those voters might be gun owners, but we're not just talking about gun owners (40 million citizens, only about half of which vote anyway), we're talking about the hard-core gun rights voters, who WILL NOT vote for Bush if he renews this legislation, but WILL vote for him if he does not (and campaign for him as well).

Tell me, if you don't vote for G.W., who will you vote for? Dean?

This isn't about me; this is about Bush. Of the gun rights voters, some will probably just vote for a third party. Some will choose not to vote in that race. The majority will probably choose to not bother voting at all (not bother going to the polls), because they don't have an acceptable candidate. Asking "who will you vote for?" in an election where both candidates are unsuitable is analogous to asking "who would you vote for?" in an election between Stalin and Hilter? Or Gore or Hillary? It is a false dichotomy. As for me, I'll probably still go to the polls to vote for other conservative candidates (and simply not vote for president), but the majority probably just won't show up unless there is some local or state election that is important to them.

GB-41's tax cuts failure was a broken promise that angered *everyone* in the Party

The Republican party is far less monolithic than you would imagine. Yes, the tax increase (not a "tax cut failure") angered voters, but this isn't the reason he lost the votes of the pro-2A crowd; he lost those votes because of his import ban, in the same way that Dole lost the pro-2A crowd in 1996 because of his support of the Brady bill.

and he didn't have the popularity that GB-43 has. Such popularity allows for mistakes, even heinous ones

The popularity of Bush Sr. after the war was about as high as G.W.'s is now (actually a bit higher, according to the ABC-Post, CBS-Times, and CNN-USA Today-Gallup polls). As the first Bush administration proved, it can fade quickly and it won't necessarily transfer to the voting booth. If someone were to ask me in a poll if I "approved" of the way Bush has handled the Iraqi situation, of course I would say yes. In other presidential areas, I think he has done a fine job as well. But that doesn't give him a black check to violate his oath of office; a betrayal that, if it happens, cannot be ignored. If he signs the renewal, he simply isn't qualified for the position of president.

145 posted on 04/15/2003 11:31:11 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: archy
You can indeed replace the shell or body of a damaged magazine

While this is true, it is something that is "allowed" in spite of the legislation, not required under it. All it would take to ban these would be a decision by the secretary of the treasury; something that will surely happen the next time an anti-gunner gains the post. Just like the 922r "10 parts" rule, it is something put into place to make the legislation more tolerable, but is is nothing more than an administrative ruling that can change as easily as the "sporting use" rule did.

146 posted on 04/15/2003 11:45:32 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: William Creel
Don't worry. We can't make a big enough deal about this.

Let's stop Bush from makeing this terrible mistake.

The thing is what is he gaining? It would be a dead issue if he didn't support it because he was expected not to support it.

BUSH HAS REVIVED THE DEAD GUN CONTROL MOVEMENT IN AMERICA! >:(
147 posted on 04/15/2003 11:47:41 AM PDT by The FRugitive
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To: Redleg Duke
When you cut off your nose to spite your face, please look elsewhere. It is such a messy act.

Don't look at me... it is the President who is doing the nose-to-spite-face trick. He is the one who is failing to keep his base happy. He is the one pandering to the Left's interests on domestic issues. He is the one who is failing to be a leader at home. He is the one who is faliing to uphold his Oath of Office by signing such unConstitutional bills as CFR, Patriot, and AWB; leaving the borders open; failing to fight to get his judicial nominations through; refusing to reduce our foreign dependence by drilling ANWR/FL/CA; extending benefits to illegals; increasing the size and scope of the budget and the power of the federal government, etc.

I can hardly be accused of "cutting off my nose" by refusing to vote for someone who does not represent my interests... but thanks for trying.

148 posted on 04/15/2003 12:09:37 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: alphadog
If the ban is extended..."our president" be a one termer

I think you greatly overestimate the number of wingnuts who need an automatic sized extension to feel like a man.
149 posted on 04/15/2003 12:20:31 PM PDT by Belial
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To: philosofy123
Bush is surrounding himself with lots of neocons.

True.

I wonder if we can make a bargain with the neocons: you let us have our guns, and we'll let you invade whatever countries you want. :-)

150 posted on 04/15/2003 12:31:48 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Teacher317
Keep on justifying your shortsightedness. You are only fooling yourself.
151 posted on 04/15/2003 12:35:57 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Southack
Who is Scott McClellan? This is the first time that I've even heard of the guy and yet we've got at least half a dozen nearly identical articles posted on FR acting as if his every word is a golden, uncontestable fact.

He's a bona fide White House spokesman.

152 posted on 04/15/2003 12:37:03 PM PDT by Beenliedto (Class of '98)
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To: Beelzebubba
Put your head in the sand. Or, join our effort to make sure that Bush does the right thing, so that he can get re-elected.

Trouble is, if he doesn't do the right thing, most folks on this thread will vote for him anyway.

153 posted on 04/15/2003 12:43:06 PM PDT by Beenliedto (Class of '98)
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To: Belial
I think you greatly overestimate the number of wingnuts who need an automatic sized extension to feel like a man

Insults aside, I think you underestimate the time and money gun-rights supporters provide during elections.

154 posted on 04/15/2003 12:47:25 PM PDT by gtech (Free Miguel)
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To: Belial
think you greatly overestimate the number of wingnuts who need an automatic sized extension to feel like a man.

: ^O

LOL! Who let Barbra Streisand in here?

Nothing like a little Ad Hominem to make a good argument stick, especially when combined with such a witty analogy.

My extension is bigger than yours, anyway.

155 posted on 04/15/2003 12:50:53 PM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: pabianice
If You Don't Vote Like A Gun Owner, You Suck (Dillon Precision Blue Press)
156 posted on 04/15/2003 12:56:07 PM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: pabianice
One of the reasons I was convinced Bush II was a real conservative was because I thought he was pro-gun.

His own Security Chief, Condoleeza Rice supports the Second Amendment.

If George Bush II turns into an anti-gun President, he'll never get my vote in 2004. And I have been a solid Republican voter.

The he can thank that "genius" Carl Rove, and his mother who is ALSO anti-gun, and his father who is ALSO anti-gun, to loosing to the Dems in 2004.
157 posted on 04/15/2003 12:56:59 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
You would think the G.O.P. would have figured this out by now, wouldn't you? Whenever they abandon gun owners, they lose.
158 posted on 04/15/2003 1:01:48 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Slings and Arrows
For the Ugly Gun Ban to be renewed, the authorization (a new law, in effect) has to pass both the Republican-controlled Senate and the Republican-controlled (and much more conservative, despite what this press release says) House. If he actually pushes such a bill, that's one thing; if he pays lip service and lets it die, that's another.

It never pays to misunderestimate Dubya. :-)

if that is true and his goal is to get more pro-gun politicians elected and it works, than he's a genius. Of course we'll never know, so we better email the White House.
159 posted on 04/15/2003 1:02:36 PM PDT by votelife (FREE MIGUEL ESTRADA!)
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To: Technogeeb; archy; Servant of the Nine
That strategery you used in the voting booth to punish GB-41 for betraying you die-hards sure worked well for you. Not. According to your own logic prideful ravings it is you and others like you who are responsible for the 8 years we *all* suffered under Bill Clinton.

Do you think President Bush will not listen to reason? Is it easier for you to post a lengthy rant on Free Republic than to write a reasonable letter to the President, and urge others of like mind to do the same? Would it take any more energy or time to rouse your friends to write than what it takes to enrage them to retaliate? Why not use your powers of persuasion now, before any damage is done? The President may not respond to you personally, but don't think for a minute that he's not paying attention, 'cause he is.

Email: president@whitehouse.gov

160 posted on 04/15/2003 1:23:57 PM PDT by .30Carbine (BLOAT)
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