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As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban
Toogood Reports ^ | April 15, 2003 | By Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 04/14/2003 7:45:39 PM PDT by Uncle Bill

Edited on 04/17/2003 6:40:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

As I Predicted, George W. Bush
Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban

TooGood Reports
By Chuck Baldwin
Chuck Baldwin Website
April 15, 2003

In this column dated December 17, 2002, I predicted that President G.W. Bush would support the so-called assault weapons ban first promoted by former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Diane Feinstein back in 1994. Interestingly enough, the gun ban became law on the strength of a tie-breaking vote by then Vice President Al Gore. The ban is scheduled to sunset next year, but Bush is joining Clinton and Gore in supporting an extension.

Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "The president supports the current law (the Clinton gun ban), and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

This must come as quite a blow to people such as the leaders of the National Rifle Association who campaigned heavily for Bush touting him as a "pro-gun" candidate. Since his election, the NRA and others have repeatedly reaffirmed their support for Bush, because he is "pro-gun." Well, now the mask is off!

I have tried to warn my readers that Bush is not a true conservative. He is not pro-life; he is not pro-family; he is not pro-Constitution. And now we know he is not pro-gun.

Instead of reversing the miserable policies of Clinton/Gore, Bush is helping to harden the cement around those policies. The gun issue is no exception.

The so-called assault weapons ban was the benchmark piece of legislation reflecting the anti-gun policies of people such as Clinton, Gore, Feinstein, and New York Senator Charles Schumer. It was also the number one target of the NRA. In fact, the NRA all but promised their supporters that a Bush presidency would help reverse this Draconian gun ban. Instead, Bush is pushing Congress to extend the ban.

A bill to reauthorize the gun ban will be introduced by Senator Feinstein in the coming weeks. It must pass both chambers of Congress to reach the President's desk. The best chance of stopping it will be in the House of Representatives. However, in order to defeat this bill, it must resist the power and influence of the White House. This will be no small task.

Not only is Bush betraying the pro-gun voters who helped elect him, he is breathing new life into a nearly dead anti-gun movement. Most political analysts credit Bush's pro-gun image as the chief reason he defeated Al Gore in the 2000 election. They also credit the pro-gun image of the Republican Party for helping them to achieve impressive wins in the 2002 congressional elections.

Now, Bush is giving new credibility to anti-gun zealots such as Schumer and Feinstein and is helping to reinvigorate the anti-gun momentum that had all but been put on ice.

However, the real question will be, "Will pro-gun conservatives continue to support Bush?" Bush is every bit the "Teflon President" that Clinton was. Conservatives seem willing to overlook anything he does, no matter how liberal or unconstitutional it may be. Will they overlook this, also?

If you truly believe in the Second Amendment and are willing to do something about it, I suggest you go to the Gun Owners of America website. They have a quick link set up which allows people an opportunity to conveniently send email to the White House about this issue. Go to the gun ban "alert" button. From there you can voice your disapproval with the President's decision to betray his constituents by supporting this new round of gun control.

Once again, the ball of freedom and constitutional government is in the court of the American people. Will they keep the ball and do something with it, or will they hand it off to the neo-conservatives at the White House? We'll see.


PLEASE Don't Sit out 2004, EVEN IF Bush signs the AW ban extention

Bush Supports New Extension Of Assault-Weapons Ban

Bush Backs Renewing Assault Weapons Ban



"That’s why I’m for instant background checks at gun shows. I’m for trigger locks."
George W. Bush - Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17,2000.

MORE INJUSTICE ON THE WAY - Bush GUN CONTROL
"Gene Healy, a Cato Institute scholar, recently provided a thorough exploration of the unintended consequences of one law, the new Bush-Ashcroft plan to federalize gun crimes, known as the Project Safe Neighborhoods program. The unintended consequences of this law are frightening."
NOTE: Same Article in Washington Times.

There Goes the Neighborhood: The Bush-Ashcroft Plan to "Help" Localities Fight Gun Crime, by Gene Healy

"W. Wimps Out on Guns"
The Bush package includes several pet causes of the gun-control lobby, including $75 million for gun locks; $15.3 million for 113 new federal attorneys to serve as full-time gun prosecutors; and $19.1 million to expand a program by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms aimed at preventing youths from obtaining guns. Although Bush stressed that he simply wants to "enforce existing laws," the fine print of Project Safe echoes the gun-grabbing Left's call to ban the importation of high-capacity ammunition clips."

Project Safe Neighborhoods, A Closer Look

LAURA BUSH:
"During her San Diego speech, for instance, she said nothing about the school shooting that occurred 20 miles away in El Cajon the day before, although in a television interview she condemned it, adding that she thinks more gun control laws are needed.

"I think that's very important," she said when asked by CNN whether stronger gun laws are needed."
Source.

EMERSON & THE SECOND AMENDMENT

A Gutless Supreme Court Decision - Gun Control

Republican Leadership Help Push Gun Control

Bush's Assault On Second Amendment

NEA Resource Text Guide In Regards To The Extreme Right - Where Do Your Kids Go To School?
"The radical right says it is pro-life but it bitterly opposes gun control legislation"

or

A Problem With Guns?


Thanks for that Patriot Act George


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: assaultweaponsban; bang; banglist; bush; guns; secondamendment
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To: diamond6
Read Madison's many letters and written comments on the second amendment.

You absolutely must.
381 posted on 04/14/2003 10:16:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (Hootie to head EEOC...)
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To: dcwusmc
And just when did the BEDROCK of our God-given rights become a "peripheral" issue? When did self defense and defense of freedom get put on the back burner? You are looney-tunes!

Very well stated.

You summed it up better than I could have.

382 posted on 04/14/2003 10:16:55 PM PDT by Mulder (No matter how paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough)
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To: diamond6
Anyone who starts with "I know a lot..." usually, as in your case, doesn't know squat.
383 posted on 04/14/2003 10:17:04 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: ApesForEvolution
"And why shouldn't I be allowed to defend myself and my family if and when JBTs or foreign invaders hit my doorstep? Kazillions of pounds of dope make it into America, but those with no regard for life or law don't get full-autos? Either a man is responsible with a firearm or his is not."

I agree with you -- you must have me confused with one of the gun grabbers.

384 posted on 04/14/2003 10:17:23 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: OOPisforLiberals
You're talking about one liberal legislature - not the whole nation.
385 posted on 04/14/2003 10:18:18 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: OOPisforLiberals
The sunset date is (i believe) sept. 2004

That means the primaries will already be over, and we will be stuck with our candidates.

I predict it wont even be voted on until after the primaries, and we wont like the result when they do hold the vote, because the republicans will say "gunowners will never vote for democrats"

386 posted on 04/14/2003 10:19:17 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: Ford Fairlane
Heh...no kidding. I mean...the intent of the Founding Fathers is quite clear to anyone willing to read what they wrote:

"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms...To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..."

-Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters From the Federal Farmer 53, 1788

"The Constitution of the United States shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."

-Samuel Adams, During the Massachusetts U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

-George Mason, during Virginia's ratification convention, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear ... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country ...."

- James Madison, I Annuals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789)

387 posted on 04/14/2003 10:19:56 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: OOPisforLiberals
Do you really think it'll be allowed to sunset? Talk about a media shitstorm if it looks plausible.

And a shitstorm in the middle of a Presidential race is better? 90 percent of all House seats are safe. Let the House kill this bill and Tom Delay take the heat, who doesn't have a worry about losing in 2004 for supporting the 2A.

It's the smart thing to do.

388 posted on 04/14/2003 10:20:17 PM PDT by ez (...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.)
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To: diamond6
Oh, so its not a fantabulous precedent for other states? Think California, Massachusets, NY, NJ are far behind once this happens? What about when they bust out "well, we banned shotguns and AW's - and GUESS WHAT - handguns kill more than 5x as many people as them. Its only logical that we ban them too". :/

Seriously - if you can't see the 'slippery slope' here, you're bonkers.
389 posted on 04/14/2003 10:20:31 PM PDT by OOPisforLiberals
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To: wardaddy
Every single time one of these stories comes over the wire the usual group shows up, runs around screaming and vows to vote for their goldfish over Bush. It almost never turns out to be the truth, and I say "almost" even though I can't think of a single time these fainting goats have been right.

I can tell by the title that this is another phony scare thread. Anyone who really cared about the issue would want to change the president's mind, not smear him by tying him to Clinton. That's classic Demorcat dirty trickery.

390 posted on 04/14/2003 10:20:32 PM PDT by Deb (I've seen Gimli naked.)
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To: Mini-14
Sorry, my blood boiled over into my reserve tank and I read you wrong. Can't promise it won't happen again. Thank God I gave up booze. The Constitution was written for a remedial level of literacy, and yet far too many on this thread are either too stupid or intellectually dishonest (if not outright communist gun-grabbers) to understand "Shall not infringe...".
391 posted on 04/14/2003 10:20:53 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: dcwusmc

"You are looney-tunes!"

392 posted on 04/14/2003 10:21:05 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: diamond6
. That is where the right to bear arms came from. I also had a year course in Constitutional Law in law school from a conservative professor.

Your "conservative" professor misled you.

393 posted on 04/14/2003 10:21:10 PM PDT by ez (...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.)
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To: diamond6
Your views on the second amendment as a state-run militia/the national guard then imply by default that the amendment in question reflects a "right of the government and not the people"

Have you really thought that out?
394 posted on 04/14/2003 10:21:42 PM PDT by wardaddy (Hootie to head EEOC...)
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To: OOPisforLiberals
Talk about a media shitstorm if it looks plausible.

So? Let them make a big deal out of it. Bush won at least two states (West Virginia and Tennessee) primarily because of the gun issue. In 1994, several senior democrats lost their House seats solely on the gun issue.

Having the leftist media make a big deal would be a blessing in disguise for Bush. Especially when you consider that every minute the media spends on "assualt weapons" is one less minute they'll have to spend on massive budget deficits, a sour economy and huge increases in the federal gov't.

395 posted on 04/14/2003 10:22:15 PM PDT by Mulder (No matter how paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough)
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To: Drammach
The people of the United States do, indeed have unlimited rights.

Then why do we have laws?

396 posted on 04/14/2003 10:22:43 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: okiesap
Clinton won by surfing the middle. Perhaps you helped his cause by voting for Perot. Clinton won again despite his tax increases and support of gun control.

Clinton won because of "read my lips" and a 1989 gun ban by Bush from out of the blue. I'll leave those as the strongest reasons why Bush lost support from conservatives.

Clinton downplayed his liberal side including gun control and ran as a moderate.

397 posted on 04/14/2003 10:22:44 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Cultural Jihad
You have a 'loon' infatuation. Seek counseling. However, when prepared right, loons taste an awful lot like bald eagle.
398 posted on 04/14/2003 10:23:41 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: diamond6
Most importantly, I can read ENGLISH and understand that you don't need to know legalize to understand this. The Founders intended it that way.

I also have read the fed papers(29 and 46 in particular) and anti-fed papers. I also read US CODE on this issue. I took a course on the Federalist Papers from a conservative prof. I've read several law reviews on the subject from people ranging to your gun grabbing buddy Andrew Herz to David Kopel to Don Kates to Joyce Malcolm, not to mention court cases.

1. The National Guard is not THE militia. It's one aspect of it. That is by US Code as well as the constitution.
2. The Militia is the common citizenry. I don't mean the so called "Michigan Militia". I mean the common folk.
3. "Right of the People" means the same in the first as it does the 2nd amendment. Supreme Court backs me up there.

399 posted on 04/14/2003 10:23:48 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I have two guns. One for each of ya." - Doc Holliday)
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To: Dan from Michigan
You still didn't defend your statement that he was "soft on guns". How is he soft?
400 posted on 04/14/2003 10:24:05 PM PDT by Deb (I've seen Gimli naked.)
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