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Germans don't realize what they have lost
The National Post (Canada) ^ | April 14, 2003 | Alexandra Richie

Posted on 04/14/2003 6:34:14 AM PDT by MadIvan

BERLIN - The sun was shining, the linden trees were starting to show a little green and, as ever, there was an anti-war demonstration down by the Brandenburg Gate. I headed out into the crowd of 15,000 or so amidst the fluttering rainbow flags, the "No Blood for Oil" placards, the usual array of Palestinian scarves and rubber George Bush masks and even one or two posters reading "Michael Moore for President." And then it struck me. The signs were the same as they had been two weeks ago, so were the chants and the people. In downtown Berlin, at least, it was almost as if the war hadn't started at all.

I stopped a young student with a "Shame on You Mr. Bush" poster and asked him why he was there. 'To protest against American imperialism," he said earnestly. And what of the pictures of Iraqis pulling down the statue of Saddam Hussein? "Didn't you see the looting?" he replied. I tried another protester, a young woman in a red costume and with rouge on her cheeks. "I am proud to be German again," she told me. "Our history has told us that all war is wrong." War against dictators too? "They have to be removed by other means," she replied.

I wasn't going to bring up words like "appeasement," but for a brief moment I was reminded of the days when I lived in proto-Stalinist East Berlin and would cross the Wall into the West only to run into demonstrators protesting against the "illegal American occupation" of the city.

This particular form of political naïveté is not new in Berlin, but in the past, the West German political class tended to ignore such attitudes. Not any more, on the contrary, it now seems Gerhard Schroeder has become their champion.

This weekend, as American troops headed towards Tikrit, Vladimir Putin, Jacques Chirac, and Schroeder met in St. Petersburg "to discuss the future of Iraq," as if it was they who had won the war.

Neither France nor Russia had much to lose by attending the conference and calling for the United States to step back after winning the war. But Germany did.

Chirac was en forme, saying of the U.S. success in Iraq that "even in bad we can find good," and stating that "only the United Nations" will have a "political, economic, administrative and humanitarian" role to play after the war. Putin, clearly suffering from amnesia about Russia's role in Chechnya, was equally hostile, going so far as to accuse the United States of "colonialism."

The U.S. State Department was said to be "extremely annoyed" by the meeting and Colin Powell pointed out that the United States had not gone to war merely to pass all responsibility on to the UN afterwards. But Chirac's raison d'être is to define France as a great power whose role is to oppose the United States. And Russia, having lost superpower status, has to insist on an important role for the UN since the permanent seat on Security Council is one of the last remaining bastions of power in the international arena. It is also in Russia's national interest to cause rifts both in NATO and in the European Union.

For Germany, however, the St. Petersburg summit will go down in history as one of the great follies of its history. Schroeder does not seem to understand that both France and Russia are taking advantage of Germany's naive pacifism. Before the Iraq war, Germany was in an enviable position. Unlike the French and the Russians, Germans seemed to be comfortable with their reduced role in the world and did not "long for Empire." Germany was the wealthiest state in Europe with a strong position in the EU and excellent relations with the United States -- indeed a decade ago it appeared that it would be Germany, not Britain, that would be America's main ally in Europe. But the Chancellor has thrown that all away.

Schroeder first jumped into this hole by fighting for re-election on an anti-American ticket and then going on to oppose war under any circumstances, even if sponsored by the UN Security Council. The trouble is, he's still digging.

At the summit this weekend, Schroeder told the United States that the reconstruction of Iraq "must take place through the UN although obviously the details will have to be discussed with the coalition as well." Needless to say, the United States has ignored this diktat, announcing instead that the four countries which contributed fighting ground troops to the war -- namely the United States, Britain, Australia and Poland -- will play the leading role in the transitory administration of Iraq, thank you very much, Herr Schroeder.

Germans claim to have learned the lessons of history, but on the streets of Berlin today the irony that their country is turning its back on the United States in favour of the likes of France, Russia, China and Syria -- countries engaged in places such as Ivory Coast, Chechnya, Tibet and Lebanon -- indicates that they haven't learned quite as much from the past as they would like to think.

When asked in St. Petersburg about the reasons for the U.S.-German rift, Schroeder shot back: "I don't want to speak about the past." For a German politician in the process of wrecking the post-war consensus, it was the wrong answer.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; germany; iraq; iraqifreedom; saddam; schroeder; uk; us; war; worldopinion
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To: section9
Multilevel power struggle ongoing in Europe....Zenith is Benchmark...US Dollars vs Euro.
Nations like Russia watch the dynamic with great import...Putin is mum publically on this...good tid bits appear in Russian periodicals...ones way better than Pravda.

Moving away from NATO partnership is conveyed in these Russian periodicals too....not the first time the French and Germans have tested the waters politically....Russian journalist muse that this might get legs under it in the backlash concerning Iraq and jilted Euro cronies.

So....undo the U.S. Hegmony...undo NATO...enter Euro Rapid reaction Army..with England Spain and Portugal siding with the U.S.

Hard to know the Euro rumor mill...but its abuzz with concepts looking for a home to roost.

Russian media comments..."When is Collin Powel going to come around for a visit"?

61 posted on 04/14/2003 1:51:31 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: americanbychoice; An.American.Expatriate; a_Turk; austinTparty; BMCDA; CatoRenasci; demlosers; ...
German ping
63 posted on 04/14/2003 2:19:17 PM PDT by longjack
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To: Campion
And where´s Germany??
64 posted on 04/14/2003 2:29:58 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Light Speed
Russian media comments..."When is Collin Powel going to come around for a visit"?

Soon. The policy going forward has been enunciated by Condoleezza Rice, "Punish France, Ignore Germany, and Forgive Russia".

Be Seeing You,

Chris

65 posted on 04/14/2003 2:56:39 PM PDT by section9 (You will all be shot unless you download the Saddam screensaver...)
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To: MadIvan

66 posted on 04/14/2003 3:10:02 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Technoir
Yes, we are really heroes and Germany is the country that produced Hitler and the holocaust.
68 posted on 04/14/2003 3:16:00 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: rrrod
"germany has been acting against the us and the uk for a few yrs now..time for us to break all ties with them"

many, many countries have acted against us over the years...

that's the trouble with the "global economy"....you have people that are loyal to the company not the country so they don't give a rip about what happens to their country....they are insulated...

That is why it is a matter of patriotism for countries to keep their factories opened HERE and to keep their workers HERE, and not move them overseas...

its our economy that will keep us free....

BUY AMERICAN when ever you can....

69 posted on 04/14/2003 3:20:51 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Campion
I love the way you use that Chart to preempt the tired old mantra about Iraqi be our proxy!

It kinda blows that tired old mantra out of the water!

Great job!
70 posted on 04/14/2003 3:23:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: Technoir
Dear Technoir:

We are Americans. We have spilled the blood of many of our people to protect freedom from many different dictators over the past hundred years.

We have sought no enslavement of the conquered, no confiscation of their property, nor abused their people.

We have elected leaders who we feel will act in the best interests of the US and of freedom loving people throughout the world. Americans will pay any price to defend our freedom, make no mistake about that.

Any enemies of the USA should try to comprehend where they would be today without the stability, humility, and prosperity the US has delivered to the world.

And we don't even really expect to be thanked.

Sincerely,

A proud American.

71 posted on 04/14/2003 3:28:34 PM PDT by AmusedBystander
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To: Matthew Paul
Speaking of the Poles, I would loooooooove to know the story of their commando raids. I'm getting indications from sources I can't share that those special forces guys did some very interesting stuff that nobody's talked about...yet. If you hear it in open source, post it for us, won't you?
73 posted on 04/14/2003 3:43:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: MadIvan
Angry Lilliputians chasing Gulliver, waving tiny broken strings.
74 posted on 04/14/2003 3:47:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: prairiebreeze
Wonder why no word from Technoir??

I rather suspect that his brain is on the fritz LOL, with neon letters inside it flashing on and off TILT.

75 posted on 04/15/2003 3:37:51 AM PDT by tictoc (On FreeRepublic, discussion is a contact sport.)
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"Wonder why no word from Technoir?? "


VARMINT CONG ALERT!!!
Euroweenius Sleeperinum Trollus subspecies

76 posted on 04/15/2003 3:53:20 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: Campion
I thought your chart was great until I read the bottom part. Now I'm not certain it's so credible, but if the stats are true, should be a surprise to no one.

Prairie
78 posted on 04/15/2003 4:26:12 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Freedom isn't free.........unless you live in France.)
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To: Matthew Paul
Nice post.
79 posted on 04/15/2003 5:48:59 AM PDT by ohioman
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