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Bush Backs Renewing Assault Weapons Ban
Washington Post ^ | April 12, 2003 | Unknown

Posted on 04/12/2003 7:50:38 AM PDT by Mini-14

The Bush administration is bucking the National Rifle Association and supporting a renewal of the assault weapons ban, set to expire just before the presidential election. "The president supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told Knight Ridder.

Tossing out the ban on semiautomatic weapons is a top priority of the NRA. Bush said during his presidential campaign that he supported the ban, but it was less clear whether he would support an extension.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; assaultweapons; bang; banglist; firearm; firearms; georgebush; gun; guncontrol; guns
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To: Timmy
The assault weapon ban defined assault weapons as "guns having one or more of the following characteristics:" which, if I remember correctly, were bayonet, flash suppressor, etc. etc. Extending this bill does NOTHING

WHAT! You dang well know that this bill shot the prices through the roof for firearms. It also set the stage for lawsuits and other legislation.

301 posted on 04/12/2003 12:56:23 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Dane
A "defacto vote for the democratic candidate" isn't the same as actively buying their moldy loaf. Keep your analogies straight.

A better analogy is this. You own a business, and you have an employee who's bright and capable, but has a lot of trouble with insubordination and making life hard for his co-workers. Eventually you know you'll have to let him go, or at least make it clear that you will let him go if he doesn't shape up - even though you know it will be painful, and will probably wind up with someone less capable. But it has to be done, because otherwise you know he'll just get worse and worse...

302 posted on 04/12/2003 12:59:48 PM PDT by inquest
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To: inquest
A smart businessman won't let the guy go until they have someone else lined up to take over the job. You wouldn't want to stop production and threaten the life of your company.
303 posted on 04/12/2003 1:05:32 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
In either case, Bush has lost more of my respect even though I am forced to vote for him and he knows it.

As a free citizen, I'm not forced to vote for him... and I'll be making sure to exercise that right in 2004, unless there's a massive turn-around in his domestic performance.

304 posted on 04/12/2003 1:09:48 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: inquest
A "defacto vote for the democratic candidate" isn't the same as actively buying their moldy loaf. Keep your analogies straight.

Sorry that you don't like my analogy, but, it seems you and your one issue crowd will reject the superior loaf of bread in the marketplace, to give the moldy rancid loaf(democratic) a chance in the marketplace, reading through the responses on this thread, IMO.

305 posted on 04/12/2003 1:12:06 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
We recognize that both loaves are moldy, just one moreso than the other - that is, if you define "mold" as disrespect for the Constitution. We therefore reject both loaves, and demand that the loaves be properly prepared if they want our business.
306 posted on 04/12/2003 1:17:35 PM PDT by inquest
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To: Dane; inquest
#302 is definitely the better analogy.

=^)

307 posted on 04/12/2003 1:18:38 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: TexasCowboy; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; humblegunner; Eaker; Dog Gone
Your problem TC is that you try to use logic with fools. I will sic Dog Gone on him, DG not only understands the oilfield but being a lawyer he enjoys arguments with fools.

Besides he owes me almost three cases of beer an needs to earn his keep.

308 posted on 04/12/2003 1:19:19 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (Compassionate Conservative Curmudgeon)
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To: Dane
If the choice is between a crappy loaf of bread and one not so crappy, I would opt for the Atkin's diet.
309 posted on 04/12/2003 1:20:17 PM PDT by chnsmok
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To: Mini-14
by supporting the current law, bush supports the sunset clause... by supporting the reauthorization of the current law, he also supports the sunset of this legislation...

all your political speaks are belong to us...
310 posted on 04/12/2003 1:21:14 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: Teacher317
This thread is really amusing and gone so far from reality. I don't think there's going to a big backlash b/c he's upholding the assault rifle ban. Whether it's a good law or not, a vast majority of people don't think people should be buying assault rifles, RPGs, landmines, and other weaponry of the like.

The people here can say "I'm not voting for him every again.".. that's your right... but your right will elect a democrat who's all about taking away your right to own a gun and all sorts of other negatives that come with the liberal left.

311 posted on 04/12/2003 1:22:27 PM PDT by GOPyouth (Heather Nauert and Belly Girl are all that are women! SHAKAKHAN, Baby!)
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To: inquest
We(using the "royal" we) recognize that both loaves are moldy, just one moreso than the other - that is, if you define "mold" as disrespect for the Constitution. We(again using the "royal" we)therefore reject both loaves, and demand that the loaves be properly prepared if they want our business.

Sometimes I think that you die hard anti-Bush people are monarchists looking for a country.

I guess the rugged individualist person of expressing as oneself as I is totally foreign concept to you.

312 posted on 04/12/2003 1:23:08 PM PDT by Dane
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To: GOPyouth
correction: "don't think there is going to be a big backlash"
313 posted on 04/12/2003 1:23:22 PM PDT by GOPyouth (Heather Nauert and Belly Girl are all that are women! SHAKAKHAN, Baby!)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Hey, arguing with fools can be fun if you're in the right mood. You start off with logic (for the benefit of observers), and then gradually shift to ridicule.

That's the fun part.

314 posted on 04/12/2003 1:33:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dane
I guess now you're really grasping at straws.

In any case, quick English lesson: "we" = "I" + "others". It was used appropriately in the sentence you were having so much trouble with.

315 posted on 04/12/2003 1:40:01 PM PDT by inquest
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To: inquest
In any case, quick English lesson: "we" = "I" + "others". It was used appropriately in the sentence you were having so much trouble with

I agree, your use of the "royal" we in your response #306 is appropriate for someone who thinks they are "superior" to all of us peons.

Send your resume to Nancy Pelosi, IMO, she will like your attitude.

316 posted on 04/12/2003 1:47:38 PM PDT by Dane
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To: sinkspur
He won't. He might lose a few, but he'll pick up a few, too.

Never forget that if Gore had been just a bit less of a gun-grabber he would have won the election.
317 posted on 04/12/2003 1:48:52 PM PDT by jmc813 (The average citizen in Baghdad,right now, has more firearm rights than anyone in our country.)
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To: Mini-14; Shooter 2.5; Travis McGee; Dane; Kevin Curry; All
I've read most of this thread, and a few things are jumping out at me. Full Disclosure: The President is my Commander-In-Chief, so out of that respect and sense of duty, I will NOT tell him how to do his job, nor will I criticize him on this or ANY issue. Any disagreements I may have with him, and I DO have them, must remain private. That said, I am a proud gunowner and NRA member, and I would purely LUUUVVV to see this onerous law die, preferably painfully. However, some things leap out, to wit:

CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM

This law has been referred to a lot on this thread, as an example of how the President should NOT have acted. So let's examine it. Does anyone besides me recall that CFR was deader than dinosaur crap until it was ressurrected by events (think ENRON and other scandals)? This is an IDEAL example of how random events can affect legislation. Add to the scandals the fact that the President and his party were in an all-out battle to retake the Senate and hold the House at the time. I make NO value judgements here, mind you, but only observe. Draw your own conclusions.

DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN

2004, Hmmmm. A presidential election. A weak economy. A Republican named "Bush" coming off a successful war with a high approval rating. An onerous "gun-control" controversy in the making...why do I get the feeling that I've been here before? And didn't the PREVIOUS President Bush's "gun control" controversy grow out of a single event, i.e. a massacre by a goblin using an "evil" rifle? Just musing...

CRYSTAL BALL TIME

2004. The economy is still weak, but the President's polling numbers are still above 50%, only barely. an upstart, young, and slick-talking Democrat is his opponent, and is rising in the polls. The President would like to be re-elected by a comfortable majority to set aside forever the "illegitemite, selected-by-SCOTUS" horse that the Left has been beating for four years, as well as have enough "coattails" to preserve and increase his legislative majority, putting a few Senate and House Leftists like Schumer and Daschle out of work as a bonus.

The AW law is due to sunset, and most pols, knowlegable of previous elections' turning on the issue of "gun control", are happy to let it do so, quietly. Only a few true ignorables, like Schumer, Fienstein, and Kennedy are making any noise at all about it, and to little avail. The President himself is saying nothing, letting the law take its course. Everyone's happy, life is good.

And, on a sunny Summer day, in a small town somewhere, a very sick individual with a heart full of hate is cocking one of several semi-auto weapons in his possession, whilst staring intently at a school, or a church, or possibly a mall...

A SINGLE EVENT is a-borning.

The President, and his advisors, cannot have failed to foresee this scenario. It must therefore be affecting their overall planning.

I DO notice that most of the statements that Mr. Fleischer has made are VERY "qualified": "Banning sales of assault weapons to juveniles"; "Banning the importation of hi-capacity magazines"...food for thought.

Bottom line for me, I'll give the President the benefit of the doubt on this one. He's not dissapointed me severely yet, and the prospect of having ANOTHER traitorous Democrat as a CinC makes me retch.

Barring unseen events, the AW ban will sunset. Those events could be a bitch, though, and we must understand that they can place ANY politician in a bad position. Once again, it will be the actions of an individual or individuals that is our undoing. However, as others have noted, we simply MUST let all our reps know how we feel, and ENSURE that this law dies its misbegotten death at THEIR hands, and that they must NOT place the President in that predicament again! They must learn to do THEIR jobs preserving the Constitution as well, IMHO.

Just my two bits, for what it's worth.

318 posted on 04/12/2003 1:49:09 PM PDT by Long Cut (ORION Naval Aircrewman!)
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To: halfdome

319 posted on 04/12/2003 1:55:51 PM PDT by lainie
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To: lainie
OK. I'm back on the bus :>)
320 posted on 04/12/2003 1:57:10 PM PDT by chnsmok
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