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Scalia Attacks ‘Living Document’ Interpretations of Constitution.
Ole Miss Website ^ | 4/11/03 | Angela Moore

Posted on 04/11/2003 5:07:27 PM PDT by bourbon

04/10/2003

UNIVERSITY, Miss. - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia told a standing-room-only crowd at the University of Mississippi Thursday afternoon to beware of the concept of the Constitution as a "living document."

Scalia, 67, a conservative justice known for legal decisions based on strict interpretations of the U.S. Constitution, said people who want change in society should use the democratic process, not the courts, to bring it about.

"What makes you think that a living Constitution is going to evolve in the direction of greater freedoms?" Scalia asked. "It could evolve in the direction of less freedom, and it has."

The controversial jurist drew more than 900 students, faculty, staff and others to Fulton Chapel for the James McClure Memorial Lecture in Law. The event was free and open to the public.

Scalia, a Reagan appointee who has served on the nation's highest court since 1986, has angered both liberals and conservatives at times with his opinions. In 1989, he cast the deciding fifth vote in Texas v. Johnson, the decision that struck down laws against burning the American flag. At the time, conservatives were incensed. Thursday afternoon, Scalia told the UM crowd in that case and others, he was handcuffed by the Constitution.

"I would have been delighted to throw Mr. (Gregory Lee) Johnson in jail," Scalia said of the man tied to the flag case. "Unfortunately, as I understand the First Amendment, I couldn't do it."

While Scalia's strict interpretation protects those rights expressly written by the framers in 1791, he said he doesn't recognize rights that many people today take for granted as constitutional. For instance, Scalia, a devout Catholic and father of nine, has vigorously opposed abortion on the grounds that it's not a right guaranteed specifically, even though other justices interpret it otherwise.

But this kind of interpretation, Scalia said, goes far beyond their role as jurists and turns justices into policy makers, which in turn pollutes the selection process.

Scalia referenced the embattled Bush nominations to the U.S. Court of Appeals.

"People have finally figured out ... that judges aren't interpreting law anymore, they're making policy," Scalia said. "So I don't want a good lawyer, I want someone who agrees with me.

"We'll have to have a mini-constitutional convention every time they select a new justice of the Supreme Court."

Outside Fulton Chapel, about 15 students from the campus chapters of the National Organization for Women and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Association staged a quiet protest.

"There are several important cases in front of the court right now," said Amy Clukey, president of UM's NOW and a senior from Deltona, Fla. "Sodomy laws, affirmative action at the University of Michigan, and of course, abortion rights are always an issue."

Chris Kelly from Sherman carried a sign that read: "Sodomy Laws are against basic human freedoms."

"I wanted to take the opportunity to speak up for those who are unwilling or unable to speak up for themselves," Kelly said.

Inside the auditorium, Scalia drew fire from the other side of the political spectrum when he opened the floor to questions. Jim Giles of Richland, a private citizen and outspoken proponent of conservative causes, had driven to campus for the speech. He told Scalia that the university's ban of flags on sticks in Vaught-Hemingway Stadium was just a "pretext to ban the Confederate flag. How isn't that unconstitutional?"

Scalia paused, then answered slowly, with a wave of his hand. "I have no idea."

The crowd laughed and applauded. The Supreme Court has upheld the university's right on the ban.

After the speech, second-year law students Brett McColl of Toledo, Ohio, Joey Long of Henderson, N.C., and David Ford of Memphis said Scalia argued so convincingly for strict constitutional interpretation that they wished another legal scholar had been available to present a counter-point.

"I generally disagree with just about everything the man writes, but he's definitely intelligent and knows the law," McColl said.

According to Scalia, knowing the law and how to apply it is his only job.

"People who want to read one new law into the Constitution after another, from abortion rights to grandparents' rights, are not looking for a flexible government," he said. "They're looking for rigidity."

It was Scalia's third appearance in the McClure Lecture Series and the sixth time a U.S. Supreme Court justice has presented the lecture. Henry Blackmun delivered it in 1982, Sandra Day O'Connor in 1988 and Clarence Thomas in 1995.

The series was established by James McClure Jr. of Sardis and Tupper McClure Lampton of Columbia in honor of their father, a Sardis attorney and UM law school alumnus.

by Angela Moore


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: law; livingdocument; originalism; scalia; supremecourt; usconstitution
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To: bourbon
"There are several important cases in front of the court right now," said Amy Clukey, president of UM's NOW and a senior from Deltona, Fla. "Sodomy laws, affirmative action at the University of Michigan, and of course, abortion rights are always an issue."

Amy thinks it is important for one to have one's anus probed.

Amy thinks educational merit doesn't matter and that it is the color of one's skin or ethnic heritage that should decide who gets into schools.

Amy thinks it is fine to brutally take the life of the most innocent and defensless.

Ask me if I care what Amy thinks.
41 posted on 04/11/2003 6:03:30 PM PDT by demkicker (I wanna kick some commie butt)
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To: demkicker
Vices are a matter of adult choice. Buggery might not be the most important unenumerated right, but you will benefit far more by granting buggers their privacy than by going the other way. Abortion is a legitimate matter of state protection of innocents without a voice in a choice about their lives. "Affimative action" is an abomination.
43 posted on 04/11/2003 6:06:59 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Strategery
Asa is now our head Drug Warrior. Better than Barry McCaffery, but only because we can count on him to stay onside when we take away DEA resources to fight terror.
44 posted on 04/11/2003 6:09:31 PM PDT by eno_
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To: jwalsh07
"The Constitution should be open to new, more progressive interpretations, rather than sticking with one neanderthal view, IMHO."
"It is, it's called the amendment process. Smart fellows those founding fathers, they anticipated living, breathing, leftist jurists who know better than the rest of us."


DING,DING,DING,DING,DING!!!!!!
Give that person a cupie doll!
Thread over, jwalsh you have the final word.
45 posted on 04/11/2003 6:10:23 PM PDT by wolf6656 (The only truth is people that my dog likes, or dislikes.)
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To: Arkinsaw
"No man is secure in his life, his liberty, or his property, when the legislature is in session."

...Thos. Jefferson

46 posted on 04/11/2003 6:10:32 PM PDT by patton (DUCT TAPE! Get the DUCT TAPE!)
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To: bourbon
Oh yes, this is a lecture that I would love to have attended. Oh my!
47 posted on 04/11/2003 6:10:55 PM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: bourbon
Ole Miss. My great-grandfather was on their faculty. He'd be spinning in his grave were he to see what goes on there now, as evidenced by this shabbily thought-out "opinion column.".
50 posted on 04/11/2003 6:18:34 PM PDT by Eala (irrelevant (î-rèl´e-vent) 1: The United Nations. 2: France.)
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To: Strategery
I take it up, you appear to be uneducable. The Congress does not interpret the Constitution, the Judiciary branch does that. The Executive executed the laws.

Three branches of government with checks and balances. A constitutional republic if we can keep it. It's all the rage, open a book.

51 posted on 04/11/2003 6:19:15 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Strategery
The Constitution is not set in stone.

Until it's amended properly, it most certainly is. Where do you get the idea that it's meaning can be made to change over time? That defeats the purpose of having a written constitution.

52 posted on 04/11/2003 6:20:19 PM PDT by inquest
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To: Strategery
Wasn't the Constitution written when African Americans were regarded as subhuman?

Actually, yes, but the Constitution was amended to remedy those race issues -- Read 13th and 14th Amendments.

The Constitution should be open to new, more progressive interpretations, rather than sticking with one neanderthal view, IMHO.

Well, either words mean things or they don't.

If the Constitution is to be regarded as whatever 5 of 9 justices feel that day, then NO ONES rights are assured.

On the other hand, if we interpret a document based upon a fair reading of its original meaning, then our rights aren't subject to the latest PC fads.

Hey, the Framers put in a process to change the Constitution. I'd rather the Constitution be changed by Constituinal convention than by the whims of Judicial fiat.

By the way, a "neanderthal view" is one where our individual rights are subject to the whims of judges, rather than the rule of law.

53 posted on 04/11/2003 6:21:37 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: ladyinred
They only want the Constitution to be "living" so they can kill it. In totalitarian countries, a word can mean one thing today and something different tomorrow and you had better follow the party line to get the current interpretation. Likewise, a law can be "interpreted" to mean one thing one day and something else another day -- it all depends on the shifting sands of political fortunes and many people have died from being caught in the middle or not adjusting in time. Strangely, the plainest of words like "Congress shall make no law" or "inalienable rights" cause our reformers endless confusion. Those who come after the reformers have paved the way will speak very plainly. They will utter words like, "Citizen 'X' is an Enemy of the People. Kill him." Then everyone will understand everything.
54 posted on 04/11/2003 6:22:09 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: wardaddy
as usual, you bring up some excellent points.

I'll make sure to read this decision sometime soon and let you know what I think.

Although I can't promise I'll offer up any solid insights, much less any interpretations that would merit being received "humbly" by the great warddady! :-)
55 posted on 04/11/2003 6:29:49 PM PDT by bourbon
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Strangely, the plainest of words like "Congress shall make no law" or "inalienable rights" cause our reformers endless confusion.

Yes, there are some who would twist the plain language of the Constitution until it howls in agony.

In the last election, New Jersey was suprised when 47 days didn't mean 47 days after "the Torch" bailed. In 2000, I was fascinated to learn that deadlines clearly set forth by Florida Legislators could be reconstrued to mean whatever the Florida Supreme Court said. I was further fascinated to learn that the deadlines that the Florida Supreme Court made up were equally meaningless if the Florida Supreme Court so decided later.

Fortunately, the U.S. Supreme Court taught the Florida Supreme Court about Article II and the 14th Amendment. since then Democrats have howled about the "evil Supreme Court appointing Bush" over something as trivial as the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution.

56 posted on 04/11/2003 6:32:24 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: eno_
The New Deal was a bonfire of Constitutional limits on government power - worse than a billion burned flags. I'd salute a picture of a French mime if we had a government that actually respected the Constitution.

ROTFL. Funniest damn thing I've read in weeks!!! and a good point to boot! Keep 'em comin'!
57 posted on 04/11/2003 6:34:36 PM PDT by bourbon
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To: wardaddy
I like the young fellow who posted this thread...he's a homeboy.

LOL.....Yes! I've finally achieved homeboy status. Maybe someday I can be as (ahem) "cool" as the Icy Hot Stuntaz. Bling, bling!


59 posted on 04/11/2003 6:42:04 PM PDT by bourbon
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To: bourbon
The one on the right looks like he's a little cold.
60 posted on 04/11/2003 6:44:22 PM PDT by inquest
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