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Baghdadis say they can live with US presence -- for now
Agence France-Presse (AFP) ^ | 4-11-03 | Ezzedine Said

Posted on 04/11/2003 8:05:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

BAGHDAD, April 11 (AFP) - Residents of Baghdad, once known throughout the Arab world as a citadel of anti-Americanism, say they can live with US troops in their midst as their arrival means Saddam Hussein is gone for good.

But they insist their uninvited guests must not outstay their welcome.

Their mood is in stark contrast to the Arab masses outside Iraq, who are in shock and denial at the swift collapse of Saddam's regime following an invasion by US and British troops.

"We don't consider the presence of American soldiers as an occupation. They came to free us from injustice, tyranny and slavery," 41-year-old engineer Diya Abdul Hussein told AFP.

"Under Saddam Hussein, our lives had no value, no sense," he added, speaking just a few metres (yards) from a US Marine roadblock in the centre of the capital.

Hussein said it was not surprising that Iraqi forces had been routed by coalition troops advancing from Kuwait.

"If we had believed in this war we could have stopped them entering Iraq, but we knew they were coming to liberate us," he claimed.

Like many Iraqis, he thought that the coalition troops would not stay long in Iraq, "just until the situation stabilises." But he also had a warning: "Otherwise, the people will fight them."

Saddam had used a powerful propaganda machine to rally the support of millions of Arabs, boasting that he would "liberate" Jerusalem and the Palestinians from Israeli rule, and chase the Americans out of the Gulf region.

Arab nationalists responded by flocking to Baghdad to be received with full ceremony, often by Saddam, regardless of their relative importance.

Inside and outside Iraq, Saddam was hailed for his financial support for the Palestinian uprising, but his erstwhile subjects now accuse him of wasting his country's wealth.

"The Iraqis love Palestine and are prepared to take part in its liberation, but Saddam Hussein exploited the cause for propaganda purposes," said Samir Khadhem, a history student at Baghdad university.

"Anyone who loved Palestine would go and fight Israel and not Iran and Kuwait as Saddam did."

Architect Hashem Ahmed, 35, also said the Iraqis had welcomed the coalition troops "because they came to end injustice, executions and the poverty we suffered under Saddam."

But he also had a warning: "If the Iraqi people had been capable of freeing themselves by their own efforts they would not have greeted the Americans with open arms," he said, adding that the US forces "must not stay more than six months in Iraq."

Hashem too said that if Saddam really wanted to fight for the Palestinians he would have forged alliances with his neighbours Syria and Iran, two countries whose relations with Iraq deteriorated after he came to power in 1979.

Another Iraqi, who preferred not to give his name "for fear that agents of the regime are still active," said the capture of Baghdad by the US army "is the price to be paid for freedom."

"If the Americans are restoring our liberty they are welcome, and if they respect our dignity they can stay as long as they choose," he added.

Saadi Shihab, a businessman in his sixties, was one of the few exceptions among people questioned by AFP.

"It makes my heart sick to see our country, which has traditionally defended all the Arab causes, trampled under foreign boots," he said. "One mistake cannot be corrected by another."

Proudly nationalistic, the Iraqis are not prepared to tolerate any slur against their patriotism after their welcome to the US troops. An Egyptian who accused one group of having "sold out their country" on Thursday was set upon and had to be rescued by the marines.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: april9th2003; baghdad; iia; interimauthority; iraq; iraqifreedom; orha; postwariraq; victory; war

1 posted on 04/11/2003 8:05:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Question of the day, folks: how can an interim body be constituted that will be recognized by Iraqis as broadly representative, will be authoritative and competent to head a civil authority to keep the peace, and will be able to debate, propose, and guide the adoption of a form of democratic and republican government that will be accepted by the Iraqis?
2 posted on 04/11/2003 8:11:08 AM PDT by RonF
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3 posted on 04/11/2003 8:12:14 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Another question:

How long will it take to do this, and how can the progress of such a body be publicized in such a fashion so that the Iraqi public will accept the presence of Coalition troops as necessary to support it until it's work is done?
4 posted on 04/11/2003 8:12:47 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Hobey Baker
And yet, not impossible. They have no tradition of democracy, but they do have an example on their border; Turkey. There's also a glimmer of an understanding that a democratic government can secure for them a better standard of living. They certainly have the example of what kind of military might a democracy can accomplish.

Even the United States has had slip-ups with democracy. The Alien and Sedition Act. The Whiskey Rebellion. The "Patriot" Act. We should expect the same from Iraq. But I have hope. The peace may cost us more lives than the war; I hope the American public is willing to take the effort to understand the problem, as well as the will to stay the course.
6 posted on 04/11/2003 8:26:01 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
It starts next week. The coalition is proposing solutions. It will be an iterative process. Iraqis will be involved from day one.

How long, depends on the Iraqis if you ask me. It took about a year for the Afghanistan government to coalesce around a principal of self rule. But they still beg the US to not abandon them. So it will take years.

In the end the arab world may have it's third catastrophe. Colision with the 21st century and freedom.
7 posted on 04/11/2003 8:41:48 AM PDT by snooker
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To: RonF
I don't know that we can find such an organization. But in the end, it's the Iraqi's that have to choose, not us. I just pray that we begin sending our boys home as soon as possible. Or.. take a side trip to the Med coast to Israel, through Syria.

Semper Fi
8 posted on 04/11/2003 8:46:21 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: RonF
Question of the day, folks

I agree, it is a question. I don't know if we can answer it from a position outside of Iraq. But I believe we will use force (or at least our presense) to ensure that no fundamentalist leadership, and indead, no single ethnic group gains majority power. we will develop a constitution that ensures each ethnic group has representation, (likely based on their numbers). This will form the begining of a parliment. Without saying it expressly, the form of government used by Israel would be good for Iraq.

Finally, before we pull out, we have to ensure an oil production company is in place which distributes their profits to the Iraq states based on something like their numbers. This company needs to have something that will defend it and ensure that the representative leadership know that their job is to provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare of all the Iraqi people.

When these two institutions are in place, we should be able to leave and let the Iraqis maintain their government without our presense. While there, we will likely promote education that is not anti-american, and muslim sturutures that tolerate other muslim sects and other religions. This will be a tall order indeed, but the Iraqis know that the other paths will lead to another dictator, something they should understand is not in their best interests.

9 posted on 04/11/2003 10:00:43 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: KC_for_Freedom
What I can't figure out is why we keep seeing new democracies set up unicameral parliaments? Why haven't any of them tried the American Federal model? A bicameral legislature, fixed dates for all elections, power devolved to states/provinces as much as possible, etc.? It would be a great protection for the minority states (especially the Kurds and the Sunnis) if the provinces they were a majority in had representation in a Senate.

I imagine that much of this is because many new democracies were once part of the British Empire (like us), but unlike us were always ruled pre-independence as one country, as opposed to being comprised of a federation of multiple independent entities. But you'd think they'd take a look at us and say "Hey, this is working for them, let's try it."

If I had my way, PsyOps would drop 10 million pamphlets made up of Arabic (or whatever) translations of the Constitution all over Iraq.

10 posted on 04/11/2003 11:08:11 AM PDT by RonF
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To: KC_for_Freedom
And term limits for the Chief Executive. I forgot that.
11 posted on 04/11/2003 11:08:52 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Hobey Baker
Given the seething hatreds and lack of a democratic tradition in that country, freedom, democracy and peace seem among the least likely long-term outcomes.

I disagree, I think Iraq is ripe for democracy. Remember these people have been tortured and brutalized for decades. If I remember correctly most of the Europeans who built America were oppressed in Europe before coming to America. Time will tell.

12 posted on 04/11/2003 11:14:30 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: RonF
If I had my way, PsyOps would drop 10 million pamphlets made up of Arabic (or whatever) translations of the Constitution all over Iraq.

You are right of course, I was thinking about not attempting too much too soon. I suspect that the Middle East will have problems with any form of democracy. They would be well advised to look at the US Constitution.

13 posted on 04/11/2003 1:03:51 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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