US-Russia: A little chat, in secret

A Times ^ | 4.10.03 | Pavel Ivanov

[jd777]

I'd love to see Russia cut in on the oil deals and France and Germany left in the cold.

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[aristeides]

Is that planned meeting between the leaders of France, Germany, and Russia still on? Maybe Russia should consider leaving the Axis of Weasels.

[RightWhale]

Russia and America are alike in many ways and are natural allies. There is no reason Russian companies should not participate in the rebuilding of Iraq, and the same in Iran when that time comes.

[Just mythoughts]

Why? Russia hid behind the skirts of France and Germany in a total effort to stop the freeing of those people.

Russia by providing military supplies, weapons, technical assistance, jaming equipment, night vision goggles, and who knows what else that were used to bring about so many deaths of our own. Russia has American blood on her hands and we don't put a price on our own.

Russia saw an opportunity to take advantage, and make a quick dollar, was willing to send Saddam whatever he wanted.

Russia wants to control the price of oil, and it was their benefit and only their benefit they were looking after.

Russia made a deal with the devil and the devil just lost, and so should Russia.

[livius]

Russia and America could be allies, but Russia has got to get out of the illegal arms biz. They were heavily implicated in the sale of weapons and technology to Saddam - in fact, I believe they were his chief supplier.

Aise from that, the only thing I can say to excuse Russia's public anti-American attitude is that Russia has been under the spell of the French since the times of Catherine the Great. Russia has always had an inferiority complex, and whatever the French did was perceived by Russian intellectuals to be automatically "better." Maybe following the French to disaster this time will make them rethink this attitude.

[RightWhale]

The Russians are astounding, to have carved such an empire out of the wilderness, to have so many highly capable engineers, mathematicians, scientists, to have survived the German attack in the 40s. There should be many years of peaceful competition and cooperation ahead for America and Russia to the advantage of both.

[John Valentine]

I'm with you, and here's why:

Russia is far more important long-term than either France or Germany.

Russia and the United States are natural strategic allies.

Russia did NOT actively work against us in the UN as did France and to a lesser degree Germany, they merely placated their domestic politics. Now that Iraq is liberated, that situation will ease.

We need Russia with us in the war on terrorism, and in this effort too, Russia is our natural ally.

By moving closer to Russia we can humiliate and isolate France.

[aristeides]

The Weasels meeting this weekend seems still to be on: Schroeder, Chirac to See Putin in St. Pete (AND KOFI ANNAN TOO).

[B4Ranch]

You're not considering Russia as a friend are you?

[Orion78]

I wouldnt. Russia doesnt deserve jack. They were as much an obstacle as France and Germany. The Ruskies can eat crow, along with the rest of em.

[McGavin999]

The first thing Russia has to do is get rid of their anti-American troublemakers. Putin has the perfect opportunity now because of the way the Iraqi people have reacted. I'll hold my judgement and see what he does now.

[Orion78]

Russia Strengthens Ties with Iraq - Road from Washington to Moscow passes through Baghdad (4/18/01)
US blasts Russia, China for opposition to Iraq sanctions plan (6/26/01)
Iraq giving "priority" to trade with Russia and Syria (10/1/01)
Russian Foreign Minister Opposes U.S. Military Actions Against Iraq (2/14/02)
Russian Duma to Issue Resolution in Support of Iran & Iraq (2/20/02)
Russia, Iraq to Sign $40B Deal (8/17/02)
Blow for Bush as Russia agrees £27bn Iraq deal (8/19/02)
U.S. warns Russia over Iraq, Iran ties (8/21/02)
Russians help Iraq, according to Washington (3/23/03)
'We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee' {former Soviet gens prepared Iraq army for war vs. U.S.} (4/2/03)

[Fury]

Thanks for some very reasonable comments.

[CyberAnt]

The fact she speaks fluent Russian, and is extraordinarily fluent in Russian history - sure would have liked to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting.

[jd777]

Yes. Absolutely. And that's why Condi is over there now and not sitting in Paris or Bonn.

[BillM]

Remember the Russian chemical weapons dispensers the US found and showed on TV. When they release all this information, then Russians are going to need some excuses. She was there to tell them what was found so it won't be a surprise.

[B4Ranch]

Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included in this list.

Who was the builder of the 600 tanks that we had to take out? Who built the ground to air missiles that were shot at our aircraft.

Be carefull who you consider a friend!

[lawdog]

Agreed. Russia is engaging in deception. Russia is no friend. The KGB/Russian mafia run that country.