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US-Russia: A little chat, in secret
A Times ^ | 4.10.03 | Pavel Ivanov

Posted on 04/09/2003 4:12:07 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State

Secret meetings precede US-Russia reconciliation
By Pavel Ivanov

On Monday US National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice suddenly appeared in Moscow for an almost top-secret visit. No press conferences. No statements. Just brief meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin and the two Ivanovs - Sergey, minister of defense, and Igor, minister of foreign affairs. This secrecy reflects the atmosphere and circumstances in which Washington and Moscow have started mending fences badly damaged by the war in Iraq.

Prince Gorchakov, one of the greatest Russian foreign ministers of the 19th century, once said: "Secrecy in diplomacy is needed just in two cases - when you are preparing an alliance against a third party or when you simply have nothing to say". It is almost insane even to think about any "alliance against a third party" between the White House and the Kremlin after what happened to bilateral relations during the past three months. That leaves the second option, which is quite plausible.

Moscow officials have little to say to their US counterparts except for reiterating the well-known Russian position on postwar reconstruction of Iraq: all political, economic and humanitarian issues should be conducted through the United Nations, particularly the Security Council, where Russia has veto power. As of today, brave talk by Tony Blair and George W Bush notwithstanding, the US administration is quite reluctant to consider any role for the UN other than as an extension of humanitarian aid supervised by US/UK occupation forces. So, obviously, secrecy is needed as the two sides favor vastly different approaches to the problems at hand and are not ready for any compromises.

A well-informed source in the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said of the Rice visit: "Certainly, nobody expected any revolutionary breakthrough agreements - it is too early to speak about agreements ... the Americans were just probing Russia's position on the issues."

But in spite of the fact that at present the sides have little to say to each other, the continuation of the US-Russian political dialogue is a positive, encouraging sign. Both sides need this dialogue, although for different reasons.

The Russian political leadership, most of all President Putin, now realize very clearly that Moscow has already lost its war regarding Iraq and it is time for damage control. Putin and his entourage understand that Russian economic interests in postwar Iraq are probably irreversibly damaged, leaving Russia no means of protecting them. However, by some humble estimates, the cost might be just US$28 billion to $30 billion. Further confrontation with Washington could cost much more in every respect - the United States is capable of inflicting massive damage on those that anger it. In particular, there are three very sensitive areas where Putin desperately needs help and support from his American friend George.

One of the main foreign policy goals of the Putin administration is Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO). Negotiations on the issue have been moving ahead very slowly, not because of the US position, but because of the European Union's, notably Russia's partners in the Iraqi war opposition - France and Germany, which dislike Russia's energy and industry subsidy policies. By contrast, after the US-Russia rapprochement that followed the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Washington threw its political weight behind Moscow's bid for WTO membership, pushing forward talks that otherwise would have taken more time to realize. However, during the past two months, the White House has been mum on the issue, and the WTO-Russia negotiations are in effect stalled.

The second area of concern to Putin is Russia's foreign debt. Most of it is owed to EU members, not the United States. Over the past two years, the US used its clout in Europe to reduce Russia's outstanding debt. As a result, Moscow managed to reach very favorable agreements on debt reduction with Germany, Britain, Spain and Italy, which reduced the debt by some $10 billion. Now the Kremlin fears that the United States might withdraw its behind-the-scenes support and that it will have to face the European lenders alone.

The third very sensitive area of Russian concern is the US military presence on the territory of the former Soviet republics of Central Asia. In accordance with the gentlemen's agreement between the two presidents, Washington kept its military presence in Uzbekistan to the minimum necessary level required by military operations in Afghanistan - mainly small logistics and technical units. Now the Kremlin worries that its worst nightmare will come true and full-fledged US military bases may be established just few dozen miles away from Russia's soft southern underbelly.

Present-day Russia has very little leverage to influence US policies. Thus, like it or not, the Russian leadership has to resume dialogue with Bush - though Putin seems to understand very well that by doing so he is risking a political uproar on the side of opposition and essential sectors of the Russian population, which is currently in a frenzied anti-American campaign conducted by the country's mass media.

The US needs dialogue, too, although to a much lesser extent than Russia. The Bush administration has already survived some quite embarrassing and humiliating moments on the international scene created by the united efforts of France, Germany and Russia and the last thing Bush wants is to repeat this experience. So it is quite logical to split the "new entente" and bring Russia, which is definitely the weakest member, back into the US orbit.

And there is something much more important at stake for Washington in the attempted reconciliation with Moscow. Assuming that the invasion to topple Saddam Hussein is just an episode in the larger, broader war the United States is conducting against terrorism, Russia could be an instrumental and important partner in future campaigns.

The "almost top-secret visit" by Rice will likely serve as a prelude to the restoration of partnership between the two countries - likely to be confirmed when Bush (as now planned) visits Moscow next month.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; War on Terror
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1 posted on 04/09/2003 4:12:07 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
I'd love to see Russia cut in on the oil deals and France and Germany left in the cold.
2 posted on 04/09/2003 4:17:04 PM PDT by jd777
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3 posted on 04/09/2003 4:19:01 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Is that planned meeting between the leaders of France, Germany, and Russia still on? Maybe Russia should consider leaving the Axis of Weasels.
4 posted on 04/09/2003 4:21:13 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Enemy Of The State
Russia and America are alike in many ways and are natural allies. There is no reason Russian companies should not participate in the rebuilding of Iraq, and the same in Iran when that time comes.
5 posted on 04/09/2003 4:29:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts)
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To: jd777
Why? Russia hid behind the skirts of France and Germany in a total effort to stop the freeing of those people.

Russia by providing military supplies, weapons, technical assistance, jaming equipment, night vision goggles, and who knows what else that were used to bring about so many deaths of our own. Russia has American blood on her hands and we don't put a price on our own.

Russia saw an opportunity to take advantage, and make a quick dollar, was willing to send Saddam whatever he wanted.

Russia wants to control the price of oil, and it was their benefit and only their benefit they were looking after.

Russia made a deal with the devil and the devil just lost, and so should Russia.
6 posted on 04/09/2003 4:30:44 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: RightWhale
Russia and America could be allies, but Russia has got to get out of the illegal arms biz. They were heavily implicated in the sale of weapons and technology to Saddam - in fact, I believe they were his chief supplier.

Aise from that, the only thing I can say to excuse Russia's public anti-American attitude is that Russia has been under the spell of the French since the times of Catherine the Great. Russia has always had an inferiority complex, and whatever the French did was perceived by Russian intellectuals to be automatically "better." Maybe following the French to disaster this time will make them rethink this attitude.
7 posted on 04/09/2003 4:40:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
The Russians are astounding, to have carved such an empire out of the wilderness, to have so many highly capable engineers, mathematicians, scientists, to have survived the German attack in the 40s. There should be many years of peaceful competition and cooperation ahead for America and Russia to the advantage of both.
8 posted on 04/09/2003 4:50:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts)
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To: jd777
I'm with you, and here's why:

Russia is far more important long-term than either France or Germany.

Russia and the United States are natural strategic allies.

Russia did NOT actively work against us in the UN as did France and to a lesser degree Germany, they merely placated their domestic politics. Now that Iraq is liberated, that situation will ease.

We need Russia with us in the war on terrorism, and in this effort too, Russia is our natural ally.

By moving closer to Russia we can humiliate and isolate France.



9 posted on 04/09/2003 4:52:47 PM PDT by John Valentine (Writing from downtown Seoul, keeping an eye on the hills to the north.)
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The Weasels meeting this weekend seems still to be on: Schroeder, Chirac to See Putin in St. Pete (AND KOFI ANNAN TOO).
10 posted on 04/09/2003 4:53:43 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: jd777
You're not considering Russia as a friend are you?
11 posted on 04/09/2003 5:04:22 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Keep America safe! Thank the troops for our freedom. No slack for Iraq!)
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To: jd777
I wouldnt. Russia doesnt deserve jack. They were as much an obstacle as France and Germany. The Ruskies can eat crow, along with the rest of em.
12 posted on 04/09/2003 5:06:05 PM PDT by Orion78 (Free Tibet! Free Iraq! Just be sure to watch your back!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
The first thing Russia has to do is get rid of their anti-American troublemakers. Putin has the perfect opportunity now because of the way the Iraqi people have reacted. I'll hold my judgement and see what he does now.
13 posted on 04/09/2003 5:08:04 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: jd777; RightWhale; John Valentine
Russia Strengthens Ties with Iraq - Road from Washington to Moscow passes through Baghdad (4/18/01)
US blasts Russia, China for opposition to Iraq sanctions plan (6/26/01)
Iraq giving "priority" to trade with Russia and Syria (10/1/01)
Russian Foreign Minister Opposes U.S. Military Actions Against Iraq (2/14/02)
Russian Duma to Issue Resolution in Support of Iran & Iraq (2/20/02)
Russia, Iraq to Sign $40B Deal (8/17/02)
Blow for Bush as Russia agrees £27bn Iraq deal (8/19/02)
U.S. warns Russia over Iraq, Iran ties (8/21/02)
Russians help Iraq, according to Washington (3/23/03)
'We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee' {former Soviet gens prepared Iraq army for war vs. U.S.} (4/2/03)
14 posted on 04/09/2003 5:11:24 PM PDT by Orion78 (Free Tibet! Free Iraq! Just be sure to watch your back!)
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To: RightWhale
Thanks for some very reasonable comments.
15 posted on 04/09/2003 5:14:46 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Enemy Of The State
The fact she speaks fluent Russian, and is extraordinarily fluent in Russian history - sure would have liked to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting.
16 posted on 04/09/2003 6:08:27 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: B4Ranch
Yes. Absolutely. And that's why Condi is over there now and not sitting in Paris or Bonn.
17 posted on 04/09/2003 6:18:08 PM PDT by jd777
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To: jd777
Remember the Russian chemical weapons dispensers the US found and showed on TV. When they release all this information, then Russians are going to need some excuses. She was there to tell them what was found so it won't be a surprise.


18 posted on 04/09/2003 6:23:22 PM PDT by BillM
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To: jd777

Note: The 80 German companies named in the dossier were not included in this list.

Who was the builder of the 600 tanks that we had to take out? Who built the ground to air missiles that were shot at our aircraft.

Be carefull who you consider a friend!

19 posted on 04/09/2003 6:30:43 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Keep America safe! Thank the troops for our freedom. No slack for Iraq!)
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To: B4Ranch
Agreed. Russia is engaging in deception. Russia is no friend. The KGB/Russian mafia run that country.
20 posted on 04/09/2003 7:36:04 PM PDT by lawdog
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