Should American Christians Die To Liberate Iraqi Muslims?

ood Reports ^ | April 9, 2003 | Mary Mostert

[zeebob]

Religion shouldn't be an issue. We are all human beings; brothers and sisters in this creation. If we lay our theological differences aside the more we will be able to help one another. Unfortunately I don't believe enough people will come to see this and the struggle between good and evil will continue ad infinitum.

[Psycho_Bunny]

"As he died to make men Holy,

Let us die to make men free."

[stuartcr]

Religion really isn't an issue, but many would want it to be.

[wardaddy]

I agree but I doubt you'll find much applause here.

[henderson field]

I must disagree with your assertion that this country is not as it is due to the influence of the Christian, and specifically the Protestant religion ("a country without a king, a church without a pope"). The Founders were Protestants almost without exception. The Protestant ethic infuses everything that is American. The United States could not have been formed in the way it was, for example, by Muslims. Those who elect to maintain their own foreign religion upon arriving here are only provisional Americans.

[wardaddy]

American Christians, Jews, etc. did not go over there to free Muslims. That has become the mantra now and it makes for good PR. It's the graavy.

We went there to crush a regime that could create weapons to be used by our enemies...the islamists.

[A2J]

Should a Jewish Carpenter have to die for you?

Brilliant reply.

[A2J]

I also do not believe that our country is the way it is because of Christian natures.

I agree.

Had we remained with the Christian virtues from which the nation was built, we would not be killing millions of our own babies.

[stuartcr]

Of course it couldn't have been formed by Muslims, it also couldn't have been formed by Jews, Janists, Buddhist or Hindus...it was formed by white europeans, which happen to have been Christians. What makes this country great is the fact that there are self-evident truths to human nature...not Christian, not any religion, but truths given to us by God, with no affiliation to any religion created by man.

[stuartcr]

And to secure some fuel.

[stuartcr]

Actually people did abort babies, even back then, but it wasn't legal.

[wardaddy]

Had we wished to "secure" oil, we would have just made a deal with Saddam and ignored his danger and bought all the oil we wanted.

And it would have been a lot cheaper than this was economically.

[stuartcr]

As you said in your #26....it's part of the graavy.

[Constantine XIII]

On its face, this would seem reasonable. If this is true we would expect to see free Non-Christian nations, but I cannot think of any off the top of my head. I guess the country that comes closest would be Japan. Even Japan, however, isn't the United States.

The fact of the matter is that areligious revolutions tend to focus on materialism, like the French and Russian Revolution. The scholars of both countries were steeped in the tradition of Enlightenment philosophy, as our founders were, but how much did it help?

Non-Christian religious revolutions and reorganizations generally have unpleasant outcomes, especially for those not with the new "in" crowd. I won't say "Ayatollah you so." (dodges flying trout)

We can agree to disagree, though. Nifty, isn't it?! :o)

[stuartcr]

Faces usually are reasonable. When you describe nations as being Christian, non-Christian, etc, do you mean the majority of it's population? A nation is not religious, it's the people. This country is made up of many people of many beliefs. When Jefferson was president, was this a Deist country? Did Lincoln make it a non-religious country, Kennedy Catholic, etc? Our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, and all of our people are what makes this country the way it is, not some stand on differing religious beliefs. To get back to my original statement...I still think humans die to liberate other humans.

[illumini]

Should American Christians Die To Liberate Iraqi Muslims? Should a Jewish Carpenter have to die for you?

You said it! The fact is that Americans are dying to protect America. The best protection is a foreign buffer state which is no threat at all.

[MOX]

You said, "I do not need a man made dogma, no matter what it's called to tell me what is right or wrong. If you do, well great, I'm glad. But don't lump me in. Thanks."

Having freed yourself from the confines of religious "dogma", please enlighten us as the standard you use to differentiate right from wrong. I'm very curious to know, really.

[Ga Rob]

It's quite simple, I know morally what is right or wrong. Maybe it was the way I was raised. It really is quite simple. Murder=Bad. Stealing=Bad. Helping Others=Good. Abortion=Bad. Being faithful=Good. Liars=Bad. Liberty=Good. Tyranny=Bad. Do you really need a book written by men to tell you these things?

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking "religon" for others. I believe that whatever gets you through life and helps you to be a good person is great. I just find that I don't need it.

By the way.....super extra guard flame suit on

[MOX]

Ah.... so YOU are the standard, the last word on universal right and wrong? Or do you mean each individual sets his/her own standard? If the latter, what makes Sadam a demon dictator and you a patriot saint? You see, by your argument you are either a solipsist or complete moral relativist. Both of these lead to utter chaos.

[k2blader]

Should a Jewish Carpenter have to die for you?

Well worth repeating.