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***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - Day 21 - LIVE THREAD***
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| April 9, 2003
| Various
Posted on 04/08/2003 9:03:27 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate
Operation Iraqi Freedom
This thread is dedicated to the brave men and women of the
Armed Forces of the United States of America.
"Wish You Were Here"
For all the free people that still protest.
You're welcome. We protect you and you are protected by the best.
Your voice is strong and loud,
but who will fight for you? No one standing in your crowd.
We are your fathers, brothers, and sons,
wearing the boots and carrying guns.
We are the ones that leave all we own,
to make sure your future is carved in stone.
We are the ones who fight and die,
We might not be able to save the world, Well, at least we try.
We walked the paths to where we are at
and we want no choice other than that.
so when you rally your group to complain,
take a look in the back of your brain.
In order for that flag you love to fly
wars must be fought and young men must die.
We came here to fight for the ones we hold dear.
If that's not respected, we would rather stay here.
So please stop yelling, put down your signs,
and pray for those behind enemy lines.
When the conflict is over and all is well,
be thankful that we chose to go through hell.
Corporal Joshua Miles and all the boys from 3rd Battalion 2nd Marines,
Kuwait 3/9/2003
Links to the past threads
Mhking's live cam links
Live Video/Audio Feeds: (If you can't reach a feed by clicking on it, make sure to try copying the address, and pasting it in the appropriate browser -- WMV=Windows Media Player; Real=Real Player/RealOne; MP3=WinAmp/Audion/other streaming MP3 player; QT=QuickTime) FR: Final Update: Streaming Video/Audio Links (Includes info & HTML/Javascript code on how to create your own multi-feeds page)
"Mother Of All War Websites" (Additional links to live audio/video feeds)
VirtualTuner.com - Showdown in Iraq
WWI-TV Portal (WorldWide Internet-TV Portal Site)
Abu Dhabi TV (Real - Arabic)
BBC/Baghdad Cam(Real)
BBC News 24 (Real - 56)
BBC News 24 (Real - BB)
CablePulse 24 - Toronto (WMV)
CBS/Baghdad Cam (Real)
CBC RadioOne - Toronto (QT)
CN8 Philadelphia (Real)
CNN+ (Spain) (WMV)
CNN Baghdad Cam (WMV)
CNN Radio (WMV)
CNN via KGW/Portland (Real - mostly down)
DW-TV Berlin (Real - German/English)
IraqiTV (Real)
IraqiTV (WMV - #1)
IraqiTV (WMV - #2)
IraqiTV (WMV - #3)
ITN News Channel - London (Real - Audio Only)
MSNBC/NBC (WMV/Feeds page)
MSNBC (WMV - Audio Only - Headlines & Breaking News)
MSNBC Bagdad Cam (WMV)
N-TV Berlin (Real - In German Where Available)
NTV Baghdad Cam (Real)
NWCN, Seattle/Portland (Real)
Reuters Feedroom (Real - Raw Video Feeds)
Sky News (56K - WMV/Copy/Paste)
Sky News (BB - WMV/Copy-Paste)
SNN6 Sarasota, FL (Real)
WSVN-TV/DT Miami (WMV - Fox Affiliate)
Cboldt's Goody Bag
Baghdad City Maps
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/baghdad_nima_2003.jpg <-- 1.6 Mb
http://www.stripes.com/02/dec02/baghdad.pdf <-- 440 Kb
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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: april9th2003; baghdad; iraq; iraqifreedom; liberation; live; situationroom; victory; war
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To: MEG33
Oh my word. Did you hear Matthews, "Why don't the damn democrates give the president his due. He done good today?"
In response to some comment from Fineman, Matthews said, 'We are all neocon's today."
5,621
posted on
04/09/2003 5:02:31 PM PDT
by
mware
To: Jackie-O
I wanna see Ceegar Man too....
I am single...
5,622
posted on
04/09/2003 5:02:41 PM PDT
by
najida
(Ignorance is temporary, but stupidity is forever.)
To: eastforker
East, that is wonderful news.
To: Fledermaus
I hate to do it, but 1 hour for TV and dinner...yes, I have to see who is off "American Idol"...hopefully Kimberly Caldwell!
Back later to push it over 7,000. (now to relive my young days by watching "That 70's Show")
To: All
O'Reilly: The big losers, Saddam and his sons who at this moment, may be enjoying their new home, in HELL!
5,625
posted on
04/09/2003 5:04:20 PM PDT
by
Poser
To: Fledermaus
...night vision goggles.
heckuva visual, dude. LOL
5,626
posted on
04/09/2003 5:04:37 PM PDT
by
aloysius89
(fascite magnopere aut iti domun)
To: Cordova Belle
To: Jackie-O
cigar guy goooooood tooooo..
5,628
posted on
04/09/2003 5:04:48 PM PDT
by
melodie
(santa..i have been a good girl this year...all i really really want for xmas is a spec. ops. guy...)
To: Fledermaus
Kimberly or Carmen. She is cute, but last night was terrible. Think Simon has his heart set on Ruben now. He was pretty harsh on him early on, but I think he is won over now.
To: Poser
Hope he could see this, make his suffering even worse!!
To: Consort
LOL! Thanks!!
If I knew how to post a pic, I'd post Cigar Man for all those clammoring for him!!!
5,631
posted on
04/09/2003 5:06:13 PM PDT
by
Cordova Belle
("I love it when a plan comes together!!")
back later
5,632
posted on
04/09/2003 5:06:21 PM PDT
by
melodie
(santa..i have been a good girl this year...all i really really want for xmas is a spec. ops. guy...)
To: Jackie-O; angelwings49; melodie; najida; Cordova Belle
Ceegar man PING!
5,633
posted on
04/09/2003 5:08:46 PM PDT
by
retrokitten
(She's the one, the only one, built like an Amazon)
To: melodie
mel, who posted him?? I haven't seen him yet! Now I'm really curious. (Rummy is my true hero tho..he's a bit older but I still have a crush!) ;0)
5,634
posted on
04/09/2003 5:09:01 PM PDT
by
Jackie-O
("WANKER" is my new term of endearment for the Antis!!)
To: mware
I did..He showed the side of himself I used to like.He laughed. Dean wowed the union gathering today.Oh,how I hope he wins the nomination.He wouldn't do a McGovern but the nation will not go for him. BOB ARNOT alert.
5,635
posted on
04/09/2003 5:09:06 PM PDT
by
MEG33
To: retrokitten
I just found him at Post #4626---
---but you knew how to post the pic--
Thanks!!!
5,636
posted on
04/09/2003 5:10:18 PM PDT
by
Cordova Belle
("I love it when a plan comes together!!")
To: retrokitten
Yessss, very nice! Thanks kit!!
5,637
posted on
04/09/2003 5:10:26 PM PDT
by
Jackie-O
("WANKER" is my new term of endearment for the Antis!!)
To: MEG33
hey, id like sharpton to win the nomination, there's no chance of that man winning anything
To: steveegg
Just picked up this new piece while I was surfing around.
LABORATORY OF WAR
By RALPH PETERS
April 9, 2003 -- AMERICA'S armed forces entered the war in Iraq with the finest equipment, the best training and the most advanced doctrine in the world. Our military will end the war with priceless practical experience of what works on the 21st century battlefield and what doesn't.
No matter how much thought is applied to war, theory is never a substitute for experience. Even the most insightful military thinkers will not get everything right. We know that.
That's why we stress flexibility at all levels of training and planning. Our military is better than any other at adjusting to new realities while the bullets are still flying.
Many of the nitty-gritty lessons learned will only emerge after the dust settles and the services can audit everything from specific weapons effects to the most appropriate basic load of ammunition for tanks in urban combat. But, at a broader level, critical lessons are already evident.
Perhaps the greatest revelation has to do with the continuing value of ground forces. Every few years, critics who insist that, this time, technology will win the war with little or no help, must be proven wrong. And while the remarkable advances in precision weapons delivered from the air have enhanced our ability to make war more efficiently while reducing the price civilians pay, what has gone largely unnoticed is the emergence of another form of precision weapon: ground troops.
Traditionally, ground forces have been war's blunt instrument. But, in this campaign, our Army and Marine units have been applied throughout the depths of the battle-space with unprecedented efficiency. Our troops have done more with less than any army previously has done.
Dramatic improvements in intelligence and communications allowed our forces to focus combat power at the right place and time - before the enemy could begin to react - in a manner that gives one Army division the battlefield effect of multiple divisions in past wars.
This does not reduce the need for any of the divisions currently in our inventory - a meager ten in an Army with global commitments. On the contrary, our Army and Marine Corps are sized austerely for our country's responsibilities. But it does revolutionize the impact of ground forces.
More and more, our forces resemble the Roman legions of the empire's golden age, invincible against all threats posed by barbarians.
This isn't a revelation to military professionals. Planners and force designers have been working toward this goal of intensifying combat effectiveness for more than a decade. But the doctrine and technologies had to be proven on the battlefield. Now the military's forward-thinkers have been vindicated.
That said, numbers still matter. While our forces have conducted the most impressive military campaign in history, another heavy division on the ground would have allowed them to press on immediately to Tikrit, the regime's last citadel, and to open the back door to Mosul and Kirkuk in the north. This role will fall to the hi-tech 4th ID as it enters the war zone, but there has been a time-lapse between opportunity and our capability to exploit it.
Our troops fighting in Baghdad would also welcome additional comrades beside them. They're doing a spectacular job under tough conditions. But more troops on the ground would enable us to finish the Iraqi resistance even more swiftly and safely. In urban operations, sheer presence can be decisive.
Other advances that have proven their worth include 21st-century joint operations - all the services working in much-improved cooperation with one another - and the increasing integration of special operations forces into conventional operations and even tactical encounters.
While the strategic air campaign did not meet initial expectations, it remains a worthy effort to attempt to reach beyond intervening armies and innocent civilians to destroy an oppressive regime's leadership. Attacks against leadership targets, even when the immediate results are disappointing, send a valuable warning to other dictators that they will not be able to hide behind civilians forever.
Practical lessons include the need for the Marine Corps to receive more funding to beef up and refresh its inventory of combat vehicles. Performing valiantly, the Marines have disproved the old adage that the Corps cannot sustain a fight deep inland. But the likely contours of future wars mean our Marines need to be supplied with upgraded equipment for future campaigns. The Marines are particularly good stewards of tax dollars. We are foolish not to treat them more generously.
Our attack helicopter fleet faced unexpected levels of risk on the battlefield, with Apache tactics leaving aircraft more vulnerable to ground fire than anticipated. Yet, the Apache pilots - and those flying all other types of helicopters - swiftly adjusted their techniques, determined to get right back into the fight. No one has been more courageous in this war than our tactical aviators.
Our attack helicopter doctrine will be heavily rewritten after this war, based on lessons learned. That's in the normal order of things. Friendly-fire incidents also continue to bedevil us - a problem that may never be solved entirely on the hyper-velocity, fluid battlefields of this century.
No military gets everything right, no matter the intensity of its efforts to forecast the future. The goal is to get it right to a decisively greater degree than your enemies have done. We have passed that test with the highest marks in history
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/72988.htm
To: retrokitten
Thank you, Retrokitten!!!!
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