Posted on 04/08/2003 6:05:34 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
China wants more US help in fighting Muslim separatists in its northwestern Xinjiang region.
The request from China's police minister wasa made to the US ambassador to Beijing.
Xinhua news agency says the matter was discussed in a meeting between Zhou Yongkang and Ambassador Clark Randt.
Mr Zhou says China hopes the United States will provide more substantial cooperation in helping China to crack down on the East Turkestan terrorist force.
East Turkestan is the name that separatists use for the Xinjiang region, which is predominantly Muslim and home to large numbers of Turkic-speaking Uighurs.
The United States needs China in its global effort against terrorism and has made some concessions to Beijing to ensure its cooperation.
Last year, Washington announced it would freeze the assets of the little-known East Turkestan Islamic Movement's members.
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It is in the interests of both countries and that of the world as a whole to develop Sino-US constructive relations of cooperation, said Minister of Public Security Zhou Yongkang Tuesday.
Zhou, who is also State Councilor, made the remark during a meeting with US Ambassador Clark T. Randt.
Zhou said that the two countries have recently maintained frequent high-level dialogue, and have continued to make progress in cooperating in the fields of economy and trade, counter-terrorism and law enforcement.
Zhou said that law enforcement cooperation is an important partof the relations between the two countries. He said he is pleased to see that the law enforcement departments of the two countries have established a good cooperative partnership.
He said that the two countries have common interests on the issue of counter-terrorism, and that there is great potential for further cooperation in this respect.
Zhou expressed hope that the US side will provide more substantial cooperation in helping China to crack down on the "East Turkistan" terrorist force and on cross-border economic crimes in accordance with the principle of mutual benefit and sincere cooperation.
Randt said that the US side is willing to strengthen all-round cooperation with China in various law enforcement fields of common interest.
THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE WILL BE HEARD AND LIBERATED, COMRADES! JUSTICE COMES FROM THE BARREL OF A GUN!
Lets compare conflicts: Palestinans vs Uighyurs
Facts: Israel (at least in some people's minds) came in and took over land that belonged to the Palestinians, thus displacing a few million people.
In west China, the Qing Dynasty came in and took all the land from this group of ethnic people via military conquest. Then later on, the Communist Party went in and did it again. (they were independent for a while when the Qing Dynasty fell)
Despite what it looks like in our war on terrorism, we are not throwing out the baby with the bath water in our middle east policy. President Bush wants an independent Palestinian state to thus fully protect the rights of those people.
With the war on terror though, we are taking on many of those who take their fight to the extremes.
To be consistent, we would have to seek the basic rights of the Uigyurs. Period.
In China's view though, they own that land. The CCP does not believe in democracy and believes itself the only government of all of China, which, much to their shagrin, we don't fully recognize, nor have we ever.
By asking for help, they are seeking to legitimize their claims under the hat of the war on terror.
Couldn't Taiwan also be considered "separatist"?
EXACTLY. You are on the right track. China is seeking to legitimize its own internal issues via a foreign idea and a foreign war.
See post #6.
Not all the way complete, that statement of mine. We are targeting those who target us.
Hopefully they will target those who get in the way of our foreign policy though, which is to have peace in the middle east and elsewhere.
Peace through strength.
There were never millions of Arabs to be displaced prior to the immigration of Jews to Palestine. For hundreds of years Palestine was a barely inhabited backwater of teh Ottoman empire. According to a late 19th century Ottoman (Turkish) census (quoted by Mark Twain), there were only 45,000 people in all of Palestine (which includes modern Israel, Palestinian land, and Jordan. Two-thirds of that population was in Jersualem. Compare that population to the estimated 4-6 million population it had during the Roman empire.
The "Palestians" are mostly Arabs who moved to Palestine after European Jews started settling there in the late 19th century. The Jews drained swamps, and established farms on land that had previously been desert. The Arabs came because it was the only place in the region with economic growth. If you exclude oil revenue, Israel has today still has a larger economy than all the Arab countries combined. If the Arabs got there wish and abolished, they would convert it back to the uninhabitable wasteland it was before.
You really ought to get your "facts" straight.
Your labeling of "Islamic Terrorists" is simply wrong. They are (in general) not fighting a jihad type war for an Islamic state, nor to build one. Of course there are exceptions, but overall this is the case.
There are 2 or 3 or 4 sets of "facts" that all disagree on.
In your ever present knowlege of the situation, please explain the interpretation of why there is a conflict, from both angles.
If their stream of violence stopped, (and it should) there would still be an outstanding issue.
The fact is in this case one violence begat another. They have been fighting for 200 years primarily because the Qing decided to take over the place.
The core root of the problem is Chinese violently taking their land and violently subjigating the people. And should I mention violently crushing their dissent, and culture, and rights. These people have no legitimate representation nor government. THAT is the root of the problem.
So, while their violence should end, so should the Chinese' violence end.
No one is advocating their violence, especially against innocents, but what the Chinese side wants is for us to condone their violence but condemn anothers. It is for nothing more than political gain (of the CCP) that they are doing that.
There is legitimate claim to fight against that type of Chinese abuses.
Simply put, these people want their rights, not an Islamic jihad driven state. That is what I said and I am saying it again.
If given complete autonomy most of the people would want a government about as extreme as Canada's.
Even at that, no revolution is needed, because it can be settle otherwise, but the "otherwise" means the Chinese don't get their way, and have to abandon their belief in 'one China'.
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