Bush: 'We are committed to the Road Map'

Jerusalem Post ^ | Apr. 8, 2003

[Asher]

Apr. 8, 2003

Bush: 'We are committed to the Road Map'

By THE JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF

President George W. Bush said Tuesday that the US and Britain "are committed to the Road Map toward peace."

Speaking at a joint news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair in Hillsborough, Northern Ireland, Bush added: "Now this process must be carried forward."

Moments earlier Blair also reaffirmed Britain's commitment to the plan, which calls for achieving Palestinian statehood by 2005.

"It's a hopeful time. I believe we can make progress," Bush said.

Bush further said he is pleased with the designated Palestinian premier Mahmoud Abbas.

[rmlew]

PFAW was founded by Norman Lear. Norman Lear is Jewish. PFAW is second only to the ACLU in it's attack on Christianity in America. Norman Lear has had a close association with the ACLU, sitting on the board.

1. Lear is an aetheist of Jewish descent.
2. Ralph Neas, a Catholic runs PfAW.

Look at Americans United for the Seperation of Church and State. It is run by the Reverand Barry Lynn.
At any rate, before you start quoting Kevin McDonald, please read Anti-Semitism, the Conservatism of Fools
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5800

[rmlew]

1. The fact hat a liberal Jewish Center invites a liberal says nothing about Judaism and everything about Liberalism. Do you really want me to give the speaker list of the average Episcopal Church?
2.The JCOH was a wonderful Jewish institution for 2 decades. It was set up to serve Jews of all dominations. However, it slowly became the de facto Reform synagogue and has picked up Reconstructionist leanings. It has become leftist only with the introduction of Rabbi David Gelfand. Some prior rabbis had been fairly conservative.
I had the unpleasent experience of sitting near the late Senator Wellstone before he gave his speech at the Rosh Hashannah services.
My parents were founding members. I went to camp there for 4 years. My first job was at the camp. But for the help of Cantor Stein, I never would have been able to prepare for my Bar Mitzvah. It isn't easy for me to say a bad word about the JCoH. However, it has devolved into a leftist institution that puts liberalism above Judaism.

[happygrl]

Peak, peck, peak...Why don't you respond to the point I raised?

[American in Israel]

How is that Israeli land?!

When Israel won it in a defensive war in the 1960's. It was only in the Arabs hands because the Arabs won in in an offensive war in the 1940's, after trading their rights to the land for Jordan, and then trying to get what they could not get by diplomacy, in war.

When did Israel ever govern any of it with a civil administration within the past 2000 years?

Since 1968 Israel has indeed governed it. A good portion of it is even owned by purchase from the Arab occupants. Now, last I heard, when the United States took California from Mexico in a defensive war, and purchased the land from the Mexicans those deeds were considered valid, and last I heard, California was considered part of the United States, at least north of the border.

In fact, for the last 10,000 years of human history that has been how it worked, until the UN came up with new rules for Jews.

Now if the UN is a representative of the world, tell me why, in Israel, there are NO Jews working there. All truck drivers, office workers, mechanics, etc, etc are all Arabs. Don't you find it more than a bit curious that in a sovereign nation, Israel, who has no seat in the UN even though much tinier Arab groups do, that there are NO Jews working there? Just by random chance one would think one or two Jews out of the thousands of UN personnel hired locally would have gotten a job. Unless of course the UN is a front for the United Arab League and dictators everywhere and hires not by qualification but by race or creed.

And last I checked, those areas are stil under defacto occupation. The IDF comes and goes into them at will to destroy the nests of terrorists it finds.

You have not checked, not a bit. There are three types of land in the Hebron (named for the Hebrews), Judean (named for the Jews), and Samaria (named for the Jewish sect the Samarians). Area A, Jewish owned and controlled, Arab B Arab occupation and Jewish control, and Area C Arab occupation and control. (or is that CBA, I forget)

Know why I use the word occupied? Because that is what the various Arabs from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are doing. They are occupying Israel. Plain as the nose on your face. They align themselves under the banner of the PLO, which is a terrorist organization. Most of them do not own the land they live on, and came from outside the borders SINCE the 1948 declaration of Israel's independence.

When talking to liberals under the great delusion, you have to define the language. It is a sign of a cult you know, but that is another thread...

My definition of occupation is land taken from the rightful owners, built upon without deeds, and defended by force against the rightful owners by law. But to the Liberals Hebron Hills is a "settlement". The Jews own the land, having owned it for 4000 years and having lived on it for all that time baring once being run out of their homes and returning within 20 years to reclaim it because of a riot by the Arabs that killed many in their homes. The Jews, not stopping with ownership that traces continuously long before Mohammad was a sparkle in his mommy’s eyes, got the land recognized by treaty with the PLO in trade for other land concessions. So the land is twice theirs, once by ownership, twice by treaty. That is the land the Arabs, who have now built a huge city around, without ownership, is currently calling a "settlement" and attacking almost nightly.

I don't know about you, but if someone stole my car, then sold it to me in trade for hard cash, then stole it back, I would not say, hey, its your car... But that is the bill of goods you are trying to sell.

[American in Israel]

The notion of scientific polling being done in the West Bank and Gaza leaves me snickering. I suspect its aout as accurate as the Dewet defeats Truman polls.

You may be right, but many polls from many sources say about the same figures. I quoted the nicest ones for safty sake. However I think the pictures of 10,000 dancing in the streets when a pizza parlor gets shredded speak for themselves. I don't care how much you like to party, gang rape is still rape. In other words, to party because of someone being slaughtered is not something you can paint white and call it good no matter how much you want it to look good.

After living with Palestinians for 3 years, I find them to be a simple minded sort of folk, very emotional and not too bright. Cannon fodder is what they are bred for. Sounds harsh, but then their masters are harsh. They can be your friends one day, and kill you the next. Kinda depends on the mood of the day or who they last talked to.

The only occupation army they have had for years is Arafats. Oslo saw to that, and the fruits did not get better, they got far worse, downright rotten. They also got to live with good police, but in their own territory, that worked just as well. Before that they lived within Israel proper, with full freedom, the vote, social security and the like as citizens. They turned that down in favor of a dictatorship. The only thing all three experiments have in common is their predeliction to kill people. A bit of a personality flaw I think, that makes them poor neighbors.

The problem is that in all the 22 different Arab states, not one has sprouted freedom, all 22 are various forms of police states. To say to Iraq, now you are free, make a democracy is funny. Pigs will fly first. If we try to force democracy on them, within 6 months they will be killing our soldiers on the streets of Bagdad. Do not forget that the very same guys you see holding up the American flag and cheering today, two weeks ago were burning the same flags. Sides switch quickly in Arabic countrys, the guy with the gun to your head, he is your friend. The guy that your gun points at, he is your prey.

In real life, we are dealing with a blood thirsty religious cult that has found a fertile home in Arabia. It is like a multi-headed snake. At best we can chop off the heads when they get big enough, and evil enough, to bite their neighbors. In time however, they will all sprout new heads. At worst we can try to make allies with them and let them bite us on the backside.

I am more of a call a spade a spade type. Lets stop trying to stuff an eastern society in a western box. They will never understand us as long as they follow Allah. So the only choice is to understand them enough to keep us from being their targets. Tell the Islamic Nations this "The next bunch that attacks Americans will have a MOAB on their palace within 24 hours. If more than 10 Americans die at once because of your Jihad, we will give you the Iraq treatment. Now you go play in your sandbox, and I will go play in mine." That they understand. But to kiss up to them is to ask for a knife in your back. Not because they hate you, it is just business.

You may think I am being Racist, but I am just a realist, and anybody who has lived in a Moslem country will agree with me, unless of course they are Moslem. I think it is just as racist to force democracy on them. I think we need to fix the water pipes, and the oil pipes, and get thier basic infrastructure in place. Let them elect a new, nicer dictator and get the heck out of their country. Let them run it how they like. Then we will part as friends. Smile, shake hands and tell them as we leave, don't make us come back... They will laugh, shake hands and take it to heart. They can respect that.

Now I will give you a counter prediction; There are going to be a lot less "suicide" bombs in Israel, now that Daddy will not be getting a lotto payment for Juniors self-detonation from Uncle Saddam. Someone has to work the fields... Americas war is not with Islam, it is against Terrorism, and the man who paid Afganistan to attack America just got his ticket punched. The Palestinians are very quite at the moment. It will take a few days to digest that Uncle Sadam's wallet is now empty. One third of the cash supporting Arafats terrorist spree just dried up. My bet is you are going to see him back at the "peace" tables real fast.

You may think me cynical. But I have lived here far to long for that. Don't be afraid to look in a snakes eyes and realize that they are simply evil, or you will get bit petting the pretty snake. Know that snakes eat rats, and have their purpose and stay the heck out of their way.

You will be happier, and so will the snake.

[American in Israel]

Since proportionally there are more Muslim citizens of Israel than there are Jewish citizens of the United States, as long as you are comfortable describing Israel as a Muslim-Jewish state, I'll be happy to describe America as a Judeo-Christian nation. You can't have it both ways.

Judeo-Christian is a society thing, not a religious thing, so you can stuff your "pissed off at God" ego back into your bucket and go away now honey. Let the adults talk and play with your tinkertoys.

[American in Israel]

Why not enlighten me on their non-peoplehood?

Are the people from New York, New Yourkinians? Do they have a language called Yonkers that goes back in time? Do they worship the towers, or write in Yonkinian, using the Yonkinian Alphabet? Do they have a History that goes back long enough to be called history, instead of news? Do they cook food that is only found in the Bronx, that their great great grandaddy cooked?

Tell me about the Occupation of New York "Yonkinians" by the American Imperialists, and I will show you how the "Palestinians" (Founded in 1963), with a much shorter history than New York are not a "People" but a gathering of Arabs, claiming rights that your viewpoint is too shallow to comprehend. Fair enough?

I got history in America that goes back a lot farther than yours. (Cherokee) What if I demanded, "Send me money, you occupier! Give me California or pay the price!!! After I kill off half your family, in the most outragous murders you could imagine I demand that you pay me money for peace and then apologise for being an occupier!!!!

Sound pretty stupid when the shoe is on your foot doesn't it? You like funny shoes, you wear them. Quit trying to force the world to fit your fantasy, Mr Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Sadam.

[American in Israel]

If and when you make a legitimate point, I will respond.

Gee, if we used your own rules, you would never get a response! You see, a point is a point, its legitimacy is what debate is about.A debate by your rules is not a debate but a rant.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Since most Jews are just as recent or more recent immigrants to Israel as many Arabs (please note the careful choice of words), I fail to see your parallels.

What you fail to comprehend as relevant is not the origin of people 100 years ago, but where people are living today. People have a right to remain in their own homes on their own land. Its a fundemental right called property rights, and the warmongering of governments does not negate it.

[honway]

Do you maintain citizenship in two countries?

If so, when the national interests of the U.S. are different from the national interests of Israel, which do you choose?

Do you believe Pollard should spend the rest of his life behind bars for his acts of espionage against the United States?

[honway]

Quit trying to force the world to fit your fantasy, Mr Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Sadam.

You appear to be dealing with a lot of anger. Have you considered an anger management course?

[honway]

Thanks for the address to the article. It's a good read.

[honway]

Do you have a U.S. passport?

Oath required for a U.S. Passport

I have not, since acquiring United States citizenship, been naturalized as a citizen of a foreign state; taken an oath, or made an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state; entered or served in the armed forces of a foreign state; accepted or performed the duties of any office, post, or employment under the Government of a foreign state or political subdivision thereof; made a formal renunciation of nationality either in the United States or before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state; or been convicted by a court or court martial of competent jurisdiction of committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against the United States, or conspiring to overthrow, put down or destroy by force the Government of the United States.

WARNING: False statements made knowingly and willfully in passport applications or affidavits or other supporting documents are punishable by fine and/or imprisonment under provisions of 18 USC 1001 and/or 18 USC 1542. The alteration or mutilation of a passport issued pursuant to this application is punishable by fine and/or imprisonment under 18 USC 1543. The use of a passport in violation of the restrictions therein is punishable by fine and/or imprisonment under 18 USC 1544.

[honway]

Cannon fodder is what they are bred for.

I haven't heard a generalization of an ethnic group refered to in those terms in some time. Do you think castration is a possible solution?

[American in Israel]

I haven't heard a generalization of an ethnic group refered to in those terms in some time. Do you think castration is a possible solution?

I guess that is up to their masters, not I. I was refering to a political group the Palestine Liberation Organisation, now known as the Palestine Authority. In their charter they advocate Genocide and armed conflict as the best choice, but still Liberals like them. Go figure...

Funny you should think of castration of Arabs as a solution. Kinda sick. Have you considered getting medical help?

[American in Israel]

Cannon fodder is what they are bred for.

Now you can cop a tude about what I said, but then you must cop a tude about what the Arabs are saying themselves. It is the Arabs that say on National TV that they have raised their children to be bombs for the intifadda and hope to raise many more for their glorious death killing Jews. It is called "Cannon fodder is what they are bred for." Do you Kapish?

[American in Israel]

Indeed I do have a US passport, do you? Because if you don't, kindly purchase one and shove it up your nose.

Have you ever served in the military? Ever done anything for your country that risked your life in its service? Because if you have not, and have the balls to question my oath to my country, you are not fit to wipe off of my shoes.

[American in Israel]

Hey Einstein, was my last post a respone to YOU? Or maybe to someone ELSE?? Let me know once you have solved the puzzle.

Hey liberal, is this a public discussion board or is it your private e-mail box? Let me know if you once you solve the puzzle.