Bush: 'We are committed to the Road Map'

Jerusalem Post ^ | Apr. 8, 2003

[Asher]

Apr. 8, 2003

Bush: 'We are committed to the Road Map'

By THE JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF

President George W. Bush said Tuesday that the US and Britain "are committed to the Road Map toward peace."

Speaking at a joint news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair in Hillsborough, Northern Ireland, Bush added: "Now this process must be carried forward."

Moments earlier Blair also reaffirmed Britain's commitment to the plan, which calls for achieving Palestinian statehood by 2005.

"It's a hopeful time. I believe we can make progress," Bush said.

Bush further said he is pleased with the designated Palestinian premier Mahmoud Abbas.

[carton253]

Your long term scenario... doesn't change the present reality.

Today, the Palestinians fight for Tel Aviv, Haifa, and the Galilee.

Because the Jews aren't breeding fast enough, they should just capitulate and give it over. Is that your argument.

[SJackson]

That's the first time I have seen that suggestion, concerning Iraq. Has there been anything written on this in the media?

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[carton253]

Please... don't pull that. The Allies were well aware of the problem long before 1941.

When they signed the White Paper of 1939 that put a quota on Jewish immigration into Palestine, the British were well aware of what Hitler was doing. The Zionists pleaded with them to throw open the door, but the British declined.

You act like the Nazis acted in a vacuum. They did not. The world knew. The world did not care.

[carton253]

Because we aren't discussing Japan. We are discussing the Holocaust. Can you stay on topic?

[martianagent]

One thing everybody might be overlooking: Israel could declare war on a state; you can't really declare war on a bunch of hoodlums living in UN concentration camps...

[SJackson]

A good starting point, which could solve 2/3 of the problem, would be to settle the refugees outside of the West Bank and Gaza, where else, where they are (as you'll note, in footnote b, Israel did over 5 decades ago). UNRWA stats from a pro-Palestinian source.

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UNRWA Registered Refugees (1950 - 2000) By Each Five Years
(as of 30th June each year) (a)

 

Year	Lebanon	Syria	Jordan	West Bank	Gaza	Total
1950	127,600	82,194	506,200	--	198,227	914,221 (b)
1955	100,820	88,330	502,135	--	214,701	905,986
1960	136,561	115,043	613,743	--	255,542	1,120,889
1965	159,810	135,971	688,089	--	296,953	1,280,823
1970	175,958	158,717	506,083	272,692	311,814	1,425,219
1975	196,855	184,042	625,857	292,922	333,031	1,632,707
1980	226,554	209,362	716,372	324,035	367,995	1,844,318
1985	263,599	244,626	799,724	357,704	427,892	2,093,545
1990	302,049	288,731	929,097	414,298	296,339	2,422,514
1995	346,164	337,308	1,288,197	517,412	683,560	3,172,641
2000	376,472	383,199	1,570,192	583,009	824,622	3,737,494

Source: UNRWA Annual Reports.

(a) Given the impossibility of carrying out a proper census of refugees throughout the area of operations, these statistics are based on the registration records of UNRWA, which are updated periodically. The number of registered refugees present in the Agency's area of operations, however, is almost certainly less than that recorded.

(b) This total excludes 45,800 persons receiving relief in Israel, who were the responsiblity of UNRWA until June 1952.

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| refugee population |

[carton253]

If you want to believe that you have the high-ground on the Holocaust argument, be my guest. LOL!

[RightWhale]

Perhaps he is no better than his father after all.

What do you advocate? Push the Palestinians into the sea?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

How much Arab belligerence was their prior to the Intifadah? I don't recall much of any.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

You aren't offering any solutions other than Israel occupying the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And I think the vast majority of the Arabs do act like civilized human beings, near as I can see. Last I checked, Israel was dealing with a handful of terrorists among millions of ordinary people.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

What else is there to do in Gaza beside make babies? Its not like they are allowed to have a real economy that might provide jobs.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Who ever said the rest of the Arabs gave a rats-ass for the Palestinians? Not me.

All the same, what is the solution to be offered, if it is not a police-state occupation of these territories indefinitely? Israel is not about to renounce its Jewsih character and absorb the land and people, it doesn't want to let them have a State, and it doesn't have the guts to go contra mundi and expell the Arabs as Meir Kahane wished and declare the matter finished.

The police-state solution has shown that it comes at the costs of hundreds of human lives every year. To most of the world, that is appalling. That's why everyone else is pushing for the establishment of some sort of state.

[carton253]

It's isn't a chip on the shoulder to say the truth. The truth is what it is.

Your stock answer isn't working.

The argument is that the world did nothing to prevent the holocaust. Your answer is WWII. WWII was not fought because Hitler was murdering Jews.

Then you said that the world could not have known until 1941 about the Holocaust. Again, not factual. Hitler did not hide what he was doing.

Rob from Georgia gave you proof that Dachau was up and running as early as 1933.

The Allies stopped the Holocaust. Again, that was a by-product of World War II.

[carton253]

Well you seem to be able to tell us when something should of been done 50 earlier. Just wondering what else you KNEW?

Again, That is not the argument. Are you this thick-headed on purpose?

The argument was that Hitler never hid from the world what he planned to do to the Jews.

Just like Arafat is not hiding from the world his ultimate goal toward Israel.

It isn't about being a prophet... it's about reading what was common knowledge inside Germany, Europe, and the Arab world.

[Sabertooth]

All the same, what is the solution to be offered, if it is not a police-state occupation of these territories indefinitely?

Once again, the premise here is false. The police state and occupation exist... East of the Jordan.

The solution should be the Historically precedented loss of the West Bank and Gaza by the "palestinians," once one of their ongoing acts of war precipitates a Just War by Israel in response. The Arab aggressors would appropriately and finally lose the territory they currently occupy.

The police-state solution has shown that it comes at the costs of hundreds of human lives every year. To most of the world, that is appalling. That's why everyone else is pushing for the establishment of some sort of state.

There is already a state, it's called Jordan. The world clamors for a second palestinian state, to reward terror, for many reasons. Anti-Semitism is not the least of them.

[honway]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ForeignBureaus/archive/200304/FOR20030403d.html

Road Map

According to Erekat, the document calls for a the establishment of a Palestinian State by June 2005; a total cessation of Israeli settlement activity; reopening of [PA] offices in East Jerusalem; complete withdrawal of Israeli troops from areas they occupied [since September 2001]; lifting of closure and siege orders, and a commitment from Israel to refrain from any attacks in Palestinian areas.

It calls on Palestinians to exert "every possible effort to stop the violence," he said, retrain its police force under American, Jordanian and Egyptian supervision; and engage in other reforms, which it has already undertaken, such as the appointment of a prime minister.

It specifies that negotiations between Israel and the PA should resume immediately on all issues, including Jerusalem, settlements, borders and refugees, he said.

All these measures should be taken in parallel order, Erekat said, not sequentially. Monitors would oversee the process, with mechanisms in place to solve disputes.