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Hollywood Elites Duck Iraq War Debate
GOPUSA ^ | 3/11/2003 | Jeff Gannon

Posted on 04/07/2003 4:25:04 PM PDT by geedee

WASHINGTON (GOPUSA News) -- Ten of Hollywood's loudest "anti-war" activists were recently invited to debate public policy and military experts about a war in Iraq, but none of them showed up. Frontiers of Freedom (FOF), a non-profit think tank, sponsored the event at the National Press Club. Invited to appear were George Clooney, Matt Damon, Mike Farrell, Janeane Garofolo, Ethan Hawke, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Martin Sheen, Barbra Streisand, and Uma Thurman.

"Six weeks ago we sent an open-ended invitation to these celebrities to appear at a fair and honest debate," said Jason Wright, Vice President of FOF.

"Most never responded at all -- those that did said no. It's one thing to exercise free speech, which we fully support, but when you command attention as they do it is shameful to rattle off inaccuracies and traditional liberal tripe then quickly bury your head in the sand when faced with opposition. In fact, it's shameful," Wright said.

FOF president George Landrith added that Hollywood claims war is never the answer, regardless of the threat. "To those who ask why we're picking on Hollywood, it's simple. They have power and influence on culture but no accountability. They are in a unique position to spout off whatever they like without a challenge. Hollywood stars have no expertise and no sense of history. They regurgitate talking points without a care," Landrith said.

Landrith continued, "As to the issue of Saddam himself, it's not that complicated. The only reason he is feigning cooperation and allowing the inspectors to return is that he does not want the U.S. armed forces to return."

Bob Bevelacqua, former U.S. Army Major and defense consultant, expressed disappointment that Hollywood was not represented at the debate. "I hoped to share with them details of a video I was shown recently in a high-level briefing at the Pentagon," Bevelacqua said.

"I've seen some pretty disgusting things but what I just saw in this video, which I hope will soon be made public, was shocking. Saddam uses rape rooms, keeps prep rooms for the rapists to prepare themselves, even tapes and then edits them to be sent to the families of the raped women. I would like to hear what Hollywood says about that. Bombs, nerve agents, and canisters are one thing, but when you attach faces, it's another story. Is action in Iraq just? It is absolutely just, and the time is now," Bevelacqua said.

Retired U.S. Navy Capt. Chuck Nash compared the situation in Iraq to a disease. "We have been treating this disease with over-the-counter measures. We must make a commitment to stop fighting the disease from afar. We must go to the center, and we must stop fighting the symptoms."

On the issue of human shields, Nash added that most of the young people have left Baghdad, determined not to put their lives at risk. "But over 300,000 other young men and women are in the area," he said. "They are courageously standing, honoring their commitment. United we should and must stand."

"There are a few great 'Hollywood Lies'," concluded Peter Hussey, a veteran of three administrations and a respected defense consultant. "One is that inspections work. Mike Farrell likes to say that the job of inspectors is to go and hunt for these weapons of mass destruction. Yet the latest United Nations resolutions call for Iraq to come clean without digging by the team of Hans Blix. They are not detectives."

"Another lie is Mike Farrell claiming that Iraq is not a threat. How can this be? Recently Saddam gave an interview revealing his goal to rule the region, dominate Israel, and get revenge on the U.S. for the Gulf War. This is not a threat? Look, if we are wrong this time it will be far worse than Kuwait, we will have terrorism with global reach. We must end the threat today," Hussey said.


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Why doesn't this surprise me? Like most lefties who are terrified of being confronted with facts instead of BS, the Hollyweird crowd hides out instead of debating their positions.
1 posted on 04/07/2003 4:25:04 PM PDT by geedee
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To: geedee
Their only retort is "Bush is stupid."
2 posted on 04/07/2003 4:28:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: geedee
They probably went "Debate? What is a debate? Besides, that is the day I go for my high colonic and pedicure."
3 posted on 04/07/2003 4:31:06 PM PDT by najida (Ignorance is temporary, but stupidity is forever.)
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To: dfwgator
I find it amusing as hell that EVERYTIME these Hollyweird "geniuses" are challenged, they never show up. The hubris of these morons is amazing. But organizations like Free Republic and GOPUSA are taking them to task now.


4 posted on 04/07/2003 4:33:23 PM PDT by geedee
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To: geedee
They can't debate their positions-not without publicists or scriptwriters nearby.

-Regards, T.
5 posted on 04/07/2003 4:37:35 PM PDT by T Lady (.Freed From the Dimocratic Shackles since 1992)
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To: geedee
I for one, am deeply saddened and very concerned.

Excuse me, I'm getting cramps, I have to go take a "Clinton".

6 posted on 04/07/2003 4:38:40 PM PDT by timydnuc (FR)
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To: geedee

BOYCOTT HOLLYWOOD!!!

There is one reason and ONE REASON only why all these Hollywood celebrities failed to show for the debate...

It's all about the almighty U.S.ofA. Dollar...

I think they're beginning to understand that you can't be anti-American while be pro-American dollars. It just doesn't work.

I highly recommend that we remember all these cowards and liars everytime we go to the movies and the video rental stores...by not going to the movies and the video rental stores.

And if one does need entertainment, there's always Fox News and the Food Network. What more do we need?

Personally, I find the Free Republic to more fun & enteraining than a barrel of Barbara Striesands...

7 posted on 04/07/2003 4:40:15 PM PDT by Ronzo (BOYCOTT HOLLYWOOD!!!)
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To: geedee
Each will be happy to appear and debate once they are authorized by the Comrade Commisar of their individual cells. The commies who came back to Hollywood in the 50s warned them to use their celebrity status to destroy America but to never try to function as though they were not, to use Lenin's actual term, "useful idiots."
8 posted on 04/07/2003 4:46:29 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: dfwgator; najida
Y'all have probably seen this -- it might even be posted on FR somewhere -- but I got this email today and thought it was quite interesting. Yeah, it's long, but it's quite informative.

Who is Smart Enough to Criticize the American Government?
By Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush:

Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the First Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas Counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.

Vice President Dick Cheney:

Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell:

Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United States Army)

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld:

Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge:

Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice:

Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these Celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions; I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background. Why not compare credentials?

Barbara Streisand: Completed high school Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton Career: Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Drama degree from Catholic U. of Am. in Wash., D.C. Career: Acting

Ed Asner; Completed High school Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky Career: Acting

Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School Career: Acting

Mike Farrell: Completed High school Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders. These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, and no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the USA. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities. So why the hype out of Hollywood?

Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation and make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom! It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire Continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan...

PEACE through STRENGTH.

9 posted on 04/07/2003 4:50:36 PM PDT by geedee
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Thank you! I have see it....

Here is my favorite web site right now....
and a boycott too!

http://www.hollywoodpeace.com
10 posted on 04/07/2003 4:55:32 PM PDT by najida (Ignorance is temporary, but stupidity is forever.)
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To: geedee
George Clooney, Matt Damon, Mike Farrell, Janeane Garofolo, Ethan Hawke, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Martin Sheen, Barbra Streisand, and Uma Thurman

support and encourage genocide in Iraq.

11 posted on 04/07/2003 4:55:33 PM PDT by alrea
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To: Ronzo
I find swatting flies more fun & enteraining than a barrel of Barbara Striesands.
12 posted on 04/07/2003 4:58:47 PM PDT by Kenno
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To: najida
THAT is a cool website. I bookmarked it and will go over it very closely. Kinda cool to be able to email these Hollyweirdos with comments.
13 posted on 04/07/2003 5:00:54 PM PDT by geedee
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To: geedee
I am deeply saddened that they didn't show up. I would have loved to have seen George Clooney trying to get macho with these officers. The hit would definitely have fit the shan.
14 posted on 04/07/2003 5:01:16 PM PDT by Kenno
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To: geedee
Seriously, take your time....pick those you want to thank or blast most...

VERY theraputic....I go there a couple of times a week :)h
15 posted on 04/07/2003 5:05:46 PM PDT by najida (Ignorance is temporary, but stupidity is forever.)
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To: geedee
How much money do you think Hollywood will make from movies based on this war?

Every dollar they make should go to the families of those who have lost their lives serving in this conflict.

16 posted on 04/07/2003 5:06:59 PM PDT by alieno nomine
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To: geedee
I would have loved to see Major Bob Bevelacqua debate those pinheads. Or better yet, I would have loved to see him take on each one in hand to hand combat.
17 posted on 04/07/2003 5:10:38 PM PDT by GnL
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To: geedee; All
Did you all hear what FOX did the other night on the weekend FOX Report ...??

They did a presentation about the Hollyweird types who have called the President or members of this admin "stupid". They actually listed all the credits for the President, Cheney, Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc., lots of Master's Degrees, and PhD's.

Then ... they listed the credits for the Hollyweird types - guess what - they don't have any. Most of them are only HS grads, and some didn't even make that - and several of them DROPPED OUT OF COLLEGE. FOX's comments about who was calling who STUPID was terrific.

I guess somebody from FOX has been reading FR because that comparison was listed here several times last week. Maybe that will help to shut the STUPID Hollyweird people up.
18 posted on 04/07/2003 5:15:09 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: geedee
I think they're terrified of being herded into the same room and sprayed with the world's largest can of Rid-X.
19 posted on 04/07/2003 5:20:02 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: alieno nomine
How much money do you think Hollywood will make from movies based on this war? Every dollar they make should go to the families of those who have lost their lives serving in this conflict.

Agreed. BUT the power of us FReepers is really encouraging. The conservative cause is finally, finally taking root and these lefties can no longer whine and spread their vile spiels with impunity. There is now a price to pay for their hate-America blather. Our efforts are slowly but surely changing the political landscape.

20 posted on 04/07/2003 5:21:59 PM PDT by geedee
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