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U.S. troops encounter Iraqi suicide paramilitary in fire fight south of Baghdad
Associated Press | April 6, 2003 | CHRIS TOMLINSON

Posted on 04/06/2003 12:05:42 PM PDT by HAL9000

NEAR BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The captain spotted the two men, in the garb of suicide attackers, sneaking through the culvert, using the dark green water to hide their movements as they edged closer to the American armored vehicles. He tossed grenades at them.

Plumes of water flew up, but the Iraqis still advanced.

They ducked when Capt. Chris Carter grabbed the 12-gauge combat shotgun and fired into the water. But then one stood with his Kalashnikov assault rifle. Carter shot him in the head.

"Kif, kif, kif!" Carter shouted in Arabic at the other. Stop!

He did not. Fifteen feet from Carter's Bradley, he stood with his rocket-propelled grenade launcher, ready to fire. So Carter cut him down.

"That stupid, little ..." Carter said. "He wouldn't give up."

The unit Carter commands -- A Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Infantry Regiment -- was about five miles south of the Baghdad city limits when they encountered the attackers Sunday. This was a normal patrol; as U.S.-led forces completed the circle around Baghdad, they continued to engage Iraqi fighters in sporadic firefights.

Across the landscape, guerrillas -- hard to pick out from the non-combatants they often hid behind -- sprayed automatic-weapons fire at American troops, courting tragedy.

"There's a guy in white, a lot of darting movement, keeping down real low," an excited Marine told his unit commander over the radio, during a skirmish on the southern outskirts of Baghdad. "Request permission to take a potshot at him."

The radio voice squawked back at him: "Not amused."

"If they have got weapons and they're darting in and out, drill them," his commander answered. "A lot of these people are civilians and you've got to use good judgment."

Marines fought street-to-street battles for control of a bridge over a canal, leading into the Baghdad. They won the bridge but could not use it; Iraqi fighters dug out its embankment to weaken the span, and rigged it with explosives. Iraqi soldiers were naked or in their underwear when they were captured, rushing to get into their civilian clothes.

One Marine suffered a minor shrapnel injury. Iraqi casualties were estimated at between 30 to 80 dead; at Central Command headquarters in Qatar, a spokesman said enemy casualties were based on estimates by field commanders rather than any precise formula. On Sunday, Central Command said 2,000 to 3,000 Iraqis had been killed in Saturday's Baghdad incursion.

"It's not scientific, especially when you're on the move at 25 mph or 35 mph," Navy Capt. Frank Thorp said.

To the southeast, at the Tigris River town of Salman Pak, U.S. forces searched what was believed to be a terrorist training camp, where they found obstacle courses, storehouses filled with gas masks, and the shell of a passenger jet -- perhaps a teaching aid for hijackers.

They also sifted through the Republican Guard's 2nd Corps Headquarters, coming away with parts of computers and what Lt. Col. Michael Belcher called "critical documents" regarding enemy weapons and communications.

And they got a close-up look at the lives of their adversaries, in what appeared to be part of a junior officers' training camp for the Republican Guard. They saw snapshots of friends and children; a simple gym with pictures of soccer teams on the wall; a mess hall, where the walls were painted with Bedouin scenes, sayings from the Koran and quotes from Saddam.

"Going through this stuff you can tell a lot of them are just ordinary guys," said Gunnery Sgt. Michael Templeton, 39, of Livonia, Calif.

When Carter and A Company got a good look at the two men he killed in the firefight at the culvert, they found proof that they were in no way ordinary.

The bearded men, in their early 20s, had red head bands with "Allah Akbar" written in black marker across the front, the traditional insignia of the suicide fighters, self-described martyrs, who have appeared on Iraqi television pledging to fight the advancing U.S. troops.

They carried six RPG rounds in a white flour sack, one launcher and one assault rifle.

The patrol had begun with a warning, as Iraqi civilians returned to their homes after fierce fighting overnight. Interviewed by a U.S. Army intelligence agent, one man, identified only as Hatif, warned of suicide attackers on the road toward Baghdad.

As the column of 10 Bradley fighting vehicles rolled north through a village, six men dressed in dark, civilian clothes with red-and-white checkered scarves on their heads scrambled into the brush. Within minutes, they fired two rocket-propelled grenades from a tree line near the road, striking the lead Bradley just above the driver's hatch, piercing it and sending a cloud of hot white gas and flecks of shrapnel into the turret and passenger compartment.

"There was a big boom and a white flash that didn't go away, I thought it was a fire," Spc. Kenneth Clark of Woodward, Okla., said. "I felt heat and stinging all around my head and neck."

The men in the Bradley bailed out into a hail of small arms fire, scrambling to take cover by a mud wall. Three were hit by shrapnel, mostly scratches, except for the driver who had a wound near his eye. An armored ambulance, emblazoned with a red cross and nicknamed Dark Angel, raced to the front of the convoy and dropped its rear door. The injured soldiers climbed in.

The infantrymen were navigating narrow roads through small farming villages, traveling without the normal protection of tanks taking the lead, leaving the Bradleys vulnerable to rocket-propelled grenade ambushes.

"They got me again," protested Staff Sgt. Thomas Slago of Los Angeles, commander of the Bradley that was hit. His Bradley had been hit by an RPG in an earlier battle. "I'm tired of being an RPG magnet."

The Bradleys rolled forward near where they had seen the Iraqi fighters run away and soon RPGs were flying again. U.S. troops returned fire, killing two Iraqis.

The Iraqis were using a complex of canals, irrigation ditches and levees for cover. On one levee, they had built a bunker, which 1st Lt. Lars Nadig of Hamilton, Va., the platoon leader, said they were using to get more ammunition.

"I'd like to get my boys on the ground and get these (guys)," Nadig told Carter by radio.

"Then let's get these (guys)" Carter replied.

The back ramp of one of the platoon's Bradleys opened and six men ran out in full combat gear. They dropped behind a berm and took up firing positions, peppering the levee in front of them with bullets from their M16A4 and M4 assault rifles.

Throwing grenades in every culvert, the soldiers worked their way up to the levee, tossing grenades over the side where they had last seen the Iraqis. In the end, they killed them all.

Until now, the troops of A Company, nicknamed Attack, had only seen soldiers and Republican Guard fighters, not suicide attackers. The combat had also never been so close.

"They are hard fighters, but not smart fighters," Carter said.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baghdad; chriscarter; embeddedreport; iraq; iraqifreedom; saddamhussein; suicideattacks
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1 posted on 04/06/2003 12:05:42 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I wonder if some of the suicide guys are volunteers from other countries. I don't see so many Iraqis martyring themselves to preserve Saddam.
2 posted on 04/06/2003 12:10:13 PM PDT by Sam Cree (liberals are the axis of evil)
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To: Sam Cree
They do sound like Palestinians and other Jihadists
3 posted on 04/06/2003 12:12:55 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: HAL9000
"They are hard fighters, but not smart fighters," Carter said.

"Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets" General Patton said.

4 posted on 04/06/2003 12:16:26 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: tomahawk
To the southeast, at the Tigris River town of Salman Pak, U.S. forces searched what was believed to be a terrorist training camp, where they found obstacle courses, storehouses filled with gas masks, and the shell of a passenger jet -- perhaps a teaching aid for hijackers.

PERHAPS? PERHAPS? unbelievable!

6 posted on 04/06/2003 12:16:41 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: HAL9000
The sad thing is, a lot of the guys' lives are so worthless, that suicide attacks aren't so irrational. And their lives are worthless because the despotic regimes in the region care nothing about creating a free society where people can pursue their desires and earn a living.
7 posted on 04/06/2003 12:17:10 PM PDT by Mister Magoo
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To: HAL9000
They ducked when Capt. Chris Carter grabbed the 12-gauge combat shotgun and fired into the water.

I'd say there was a good chance Capt. Carter was a good ole' country boy. Only a country boy/girl knows the true value of a scattergun in close quarters.

Remington 12 gauge, the ultimate equalizer!

8 posted on 04/06/2003 12:19:20 PM PDT by Pern (It's good to know who hates you, and it's good to be hated by the right people - Johnny Cash)
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To: jbind
I agree to an extent. There are a fair amount of Iraqis who benefit from the regime and have a stake in its continuation. But in the end, it doesn't matter -- they will either die or surrender.
9 posted on 04/06/2003 12:20:01 PM PDT by Mister Magoo
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To: Mister Magoo
"And their lives are worthless because the despotic regimes in the region care nothing about creating a free society where people can pursue their desires and earn a living."

It's too bad someone can't teach these guys to waste their lives on the despots who have made their lives so worthless.

10 posted on 04/06/2003 12:21:53 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Sam Cree
"I wonder if some of the suicide guys are volunteers from other countries. I don't see so many Iraqis martyring themselves to preserve Saddam."

This may answer that question as: yes!

AS SAYLIYA CAMP, Qatar (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Sunday it had captured or killed fighters from Sudan, Egypt and other countries in Iraq, and some of those captured had led it to a terrorist training camp.

Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks told a briefing at Central Command in Qatar that the camp, found at Salman Pak southeast of Baghdad, demonstrated "a linkage between this regime and terrorism." But he said there was nothing to tie the camp to specific organizations.

"Some of these fighters come from Sudan, some from Egypt, some from other places," Brooks said of the foreigners.

"We've killed a number of them and we've captured a number of them, and that's where some of this information came from. It does say an awful lot about the approach the regime is taking to what's going on the battlefield right now."

Baghdad had appealed to sympathizers in other countries to join its forces in the battle against U.S.-led forces and in recent days there have been reports of many people from Arab countries traveling to Iraq to do just that.

11 posted on 04/06/2003 12:25:25 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: Geist Krieger
That's very interesting.
12 posted on 04/06/2003 12:27:05 PM PDT by Sam Cree (liberals are the axis of evil)
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To: HAL9000
Same Capt. Chris Carter who led his men to rescue the injured elderly Iraqui woman? Same Capt. Chris Carter mentioned in another firefight article? Can any FReepers verify? We've got ourselves a veritable Audie Murphy here!
13 posted on 04/06/2003 12:30:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Geist Krieger
Rush and others have made the point - how much better is it for us that all of these "suicide bombers" are going into Iraq and attacking the most potent military machine in the world. And getting mowed down for their trouble. I would say, IMHO, the net population of people willing to do a suicide bombing is decreasing daily.
15 posted on 04/06/2003 12:33:31 PM PDT by JohnEBoy
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To: HAL9000
Well, a new benefit of this war has been exposed. While it goes on, Iraq & the US military is becoming a magnet for an awful lot of the terrorist scum in the region.

Rather than having to hunt them down one by one in their home countries, these morons are making the "War on Terror" much easier through personal visits to Iraq where they can easily be exterminated with impugnity. Idiots.

As this war goes on, it looks like more and more of the "best" fighters the terrorist world has to offer will arrive in Iraq like lambs to the slaughter. Keep 'em comin.

16 posted on 04/06/2003 12:42:41 PM PDT by MCH
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To: JohnEBoy
"I would say, IMHO, the net population of people willing to do a suicide bombing is decreasing daily."

I really hope so. I hope our boys stay safe and that God protects them with His angels and a "second sight" with split-second reflexes.

I als hope that He aides them in giving Allah (the other god) a huge sorting-out project. The more suicide martyr that our military can send to Allah's paradise complete with 72 Madaline Albright/Helen Thomas/Gloria Alred virgins the better. C'mon Syria, send them all down...something as good as U-Day's chipper awaits...the U.S. Armed Forces...they do more before 8-o'clock than the jihad terrorists can do in their entire miserable lives!

17 posted on 04/06/2003 12:44:31 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: Thud
This is what you were expecting?
18 posted on 04/06/2003 1:16:29 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Oh, he's just getting some extra attention because there is an embedded reporter in his unit.

There are hundreds of Captain Carter's in theater.

19 posted on 04/06/2003 1:37:34 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (BBQ Iraqi Pork Ribs for Dinner.)
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To: Geist Krieger
You know, the thought has occured to me that some of these other countries may be taking this wonderful chance to rid themselves of local malcontents and radicals by shipping them off to Iraq to die glorious deaths for Uncle Saddam. No muss, no fuss, no bodies to bury. Just a one way coach ticket or bus ticket and Wallah! no more knuckleheads.
Might be a good idea too, Keeps those pesky US and British troops off of the door step and the smart bombs off the roof.
20 posted on 04/06/2003 1:41:03 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 ("..he's not heavy, sir. He's my brother...")
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