Jessica took awful beating

New York Daily News ^ | 4/05/03 | OWEN MORITZ

[iconoclast]

She was shot twice, which might be the causes for some of the fractures.

I'm quite sure I heard it reported Friday evening that she had been shot in both legs and one arm, explaining those fractures.

[pfflier]

The only good part of this is that we will find out who did it. And when we do that person will be skinned alive and hung by his family jewels to rot.

I suspect the jewels of someone that would do this are too small to work with.

[pfflier]

The lastest I read here was that she had two small caliber (handgun) wounds.

[xp38]

May prayers and love sustain her God bless Jessica Lynch.

[Iwo Jima]

Do you recall where you heard that? I tend to think that this is a story that the media thinks is too good to let go, regardless of the facts. What I heard Friday on Fox news was that the doctors said "no evidence of gunshot wounds," to which I said "Don't you know???" Then several hours later some woman correspondent just casually said that Pfc Lynch had been shot without acknowleding the fact that the reports seem to be alternating between "shot"/"not shot" without even letting on that the other version exists.

I know that in the "fog of war" information is easily mangled, but for crying out loud, why can't we get this simple fact straight. I know that the truth of what happened is going to outrage us, but before I work up a real case of outrage, I want to know what I am getting outraged about.

[iconoclast]

Apparantly Shoshana and Jessica were not the only females to be taken

Has anyone heard anything about Shoshana? I saw her family on TV yesterday and it was just heart wrenching.

The death of the young Indian girl infuriates me. I agree with those that want to keep females as far from combat as possible. The fact that we do not speaks volumes about the depths to which our culture has sunk since the sixties.

[kayak]

Well said!

[Iwo Jima]

I'm just going to take a wait and see attitude on this issue of whether Pfc Lynch was shot/tortured/mistreated, etc. There is just too much contradictory information out there that I have to believe will be clarified fairly soon.

What we do know is that she did her job well and bravely, suffering serious injuries in the service of her country. If there is more to the story than that, I DO want to know the basic facts (although not every personal detail) because I want to know how she and ALL of our POWs have been treated. It's important to know the truth so that payback can occur.

[Happy2BMe]

God bless Jessia - and thank you God for sparing her.

Folks - there is a reason she was spared.

Without women, America in no way shape or form would have ever won any of the wars she has ever fought, PERIOD!

But I want to go on record that women have no place in combat roles.

Again, I thank God she has been spared.

But placing women in combat roles gives the enemy the unique psychological weapon of posessing our women soldiers with the implied intent of imposing on them torture and rape not normally associated with the capture of a male POW.

I know this is not politically correct, but women should be taken out of combat roles.

Jessica fought off the enemey bravely, with distinction and honor and I take ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from her heroic deeds.

There are countless roles women can play in contributing to military readiness and succes every bit as critical as combat roles - that is where we should post our women soldiers.

PC flame suit firmly suited up.

[ArneFufkin]

First, I am not minimizing PFC Lynch's courage or say anything but I feel great joy that she is alive, just as I have tremendous gratitude that we have the service of Navy Seals and Army Rangers who weild such skill, fearlessness and lethal experience to rescue a POW from her captors. I feel wonderful as an American that we got one of our own ... a remarkable young woman ... back from the clutches of those sociopaths.

Don't kid yourself, though, mombonn. We are especially joyful because a young American woman has been delivered from what we all know was a unfathomable fate.

We do not ever need to see that again. Women can be - all they can be - as a Carrier Flight Boss or a Falcon Flight Wing Crew Chief, or as a JSTAR Captain or a Four Star General sitting at General Franks right hand. She can be the President's most trusted adviser from the NSC, helping him work through the diplomatic/military morass. She can be my President and my trusted Commander in Chief.

I do not want ANY women, going forward, to be put in a position where they ... INDEED ALL OF US ... are at the mercy of rapists, sadists and insane and violent Third World sociopaths. That's who we are going to be hooking up with, going forward.

Having women engaged in the chaos of brutal violence in a battle zone is nothing but trouble. It's bad for her, it's bad for the guys who are fighting to protect their own lives in pursuit of the mission, and it's bad for AMERICAN interests.

That's my point. It's no slur on Pfc Lynch's competence or courage. There is no single battle slot a female is so fit to serve that will ever trump that slot being served by a less qualified man whose death, capture or severe injury would have a less deleterious effect on the mission at hand, the propaganda leverage of the enemy AND the vital "war" for a solid public support, emotional morale and fundamental confidence back home.

The fact of the matter is, mombonn, that female chopper pilot who was taken prisoner in Desert Storm withheld any disclosure of the abusive rape and sexual violation she suffered at the hands of her Iraqi captors. Why would she not share this, perhaps she was emotionally distraught? No, she held this information back because she KNEW that this disclosure would have scuttled any authorization of female access to the battle zone. She was an advocate for women in combat. How lovely. That's the political b.s. around this stuff, mombonn, that is Clinton era crap all the way.

[lawdude]

"Her injuries seem more consistent with a really bad car wreck (like being runover by a tank)."

And just what are you implying?

[lawdude]

"She was shot twice, which might be the causes for some of the fractures."
Where do you find this fact, which has been specifically denied by people who are treating her, AND her family? What inner knowledge do you possess?

[gatorbait]

She is Private Lynch, soon to be Corporal Lynch, I would imagine.

More likely Specialist Lynch.

[jwtexian]

I talked to a guy at work this morning who's wife is from Pecos. She learned last night that Warrant Officer Johnny Mata's folks were informed that, indeed, his body was one of those retrieved from that infamous "hospital".

[lawdude]

" Remember how the doctors that worked on Reagan couldn't figure out why he looked ashen and was having trouble breathing? "

As I recall from the Reagan shooting, there were witnesses to the shooting. Else, why would doctors have been working on him? They didn't take him to the hospital because he was sneezing.

Totally illogical reasoning!

[Da_Shrimp]

They've been mucking around outside Basra for two weeks now.

From the beginning, the Lads have been targeting enemy 'bad guy buildings' with artillery, airstrikes and raids (eg the attack on the Ba'ath party HQ a week or so ago). They've also been winkling out Fayadeen forces by running probing raids into Basra with Warriors and Challengers and simply killing anything that fires at them.

Hardly 'mucking around', methinks.

[Happy2BMe]

Very, very well stated - and every word true.

It will take years to scrub the PC mindset legacy from 8 years of Clintonian hell.

Many left in droves from the military from '92 to '02 because they could not stomach any more of his damning morale-busting liberal and demoralizing social reform policies.

Since Clinton was the CINC, he used every ounce of that position to set the U.S. military aside as his own personal political and social laboratory - the military were social program guinea pigs.

Let's hope those "reforms" can be corrected - and soon!

[Hildy]

Wait, they will answer her questions when she asks them? What is the usual protocol with POW's. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but she should be treated as any male POW would have been treated.

[Rivothead]

"Pink casts she requested" This is bad. She's regressed bigtime. I hope dad doesn't still plan on having the, biggest bash ever, when she comes home. He just might find PFC JL in the corner in a fetile position sucking her thumb.
I sure as hell hope President Bush reviews this and takes women off the battlefield. Call me a pig if you must but I can't swallow this. I think we all know why this type of treatment doesn't bother former president Clinton but in a REAL world women should have never been put on the battlefield.

[TLBSHOW]

Prayers for Pfc. Jessica Lynch, that she heals well and prayers for our troops as they take the enemy and send them to hell!