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Allies risk 3000 casualties in Baghdad - ex-general [Quagmire! Quagmire! er, flashback]
Reuters | March 24, 2003

Posted on 04/05/2003 12:18:37 AM PST by JohnHuang2

LONDON, March 24 (Reuters) - The U.S.-led force in Iraq risks as many as 3,000 casualties in the battle for Baghdad and Washington has underestimated the number of troops needed, a top former commander from the 1991 Gulf War said on Monday.

Retired U.S. Army General Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division 12 years ago, said the U.S.-led force faced "a very dicey two to three day battle" as it pushes north towards the Iraqi capital.

"We ought to be able to do it (take Baghdad)," he told the Newsnight Programme on Britain's BBC Television late on Monday.

"In the process if they (the Iraqis) actually fight, and that's one of the assumptions, clearly it's going to be brutal, dangerous work and we could take, bluntly, a couple to 3,000 casualties," said McCaffrey who became one of the most senior ranking members of the U.S. military following the 1991 war.

"So if they (the Americans and British) are unwilling to face up to that, we may have a difficult time of it taking down Baghdad and Tikrit up to the north west."

McCaffrey said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had misjudged the nature of the conflict. Asked if Rumsfeld made a mistake by not sending more troops to start the offensive, McCaffrey replied: "Yes, sure. I think everybody told him that."

"I think he thought these were U.S. generals with their feet planted in World War Two that didn't understand the new way of warfare," he added.

U.S. forces have advanced more than 200 miles (320 km) into Iraqi territory since the start of the war and are beginning to confront an elite division of the Republican Guards deployed to defend the capital.

"So it ought to be a very dicey two to three day battle out there." McCaffrey said of the confrontation with the Republican Guards.

He said his personal view was that the invading troops would "take them (the Iraqis) apart."

"But we've never done something like this with this modest a force at such a distance from its bases," he warned.

McCaffrey, a former Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces in Latin America, served overseas for 13 years and took part in four combat tours.

He twice received the Distinguished Service Cross, the second highest medal for valour in the United States.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barrymccaffrey; battleforbaghdad; iraqifreedom
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Saturday, April 5, 2003

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1 posted on 04/05/2003 12:18:37 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Hmmmm?? So far - 4 injured!
2 posted on 04/05/2003 12:22:32 AM PST by CyberAnt
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To: CyberAnt
Check the date of the article ;)
3 posted on 04/05/2003 12:23:13 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Barry is SO busted.

And I am SO glad that Barry AND what's his face, Wesley Clark, are IN BED while this is all going on!
5 posted on 04/05/2003 12:24:24 AM PST by Howlin
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To: seventhcalvalry
I Don't disagree with you -- can't take anything for granted. God bless our troops.
6 posted on 04/05/2003 12:25:05 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Gee, no wonder he was such a successful drug czar. (/sarcasm)
8 posted on 04/05/2003 12:32:26 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: JohnHuang2
Oooops! I was reading Baghdad - and thinking they were talking about the city - tonight - I'll try to watch that in the future.
9 posted on 04/05/2003 12:35:41 AM PST by CyberAnt
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To: GLDNGUN
;)
10 posted on 04/05/2003 12:38:29 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
McCaffrey said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had misjudged the nature of the conflict. Asked if Rumsfeld made a mistake by not sending more troops to start the offensive, McCaffrey replied: "Yes, sure. I think everybody told him that."

Barry must be sleeping soundly now, what with our forces deep into Baghdad, without 2-3000 casualties. Pray it remains that way.

Barry & Wesley would make a great "hawk" tag team on the new counter-Rush liberal talk show.

11 posted on 04/05/2003 1:01:14 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (Just like Black September. One by one, we're gonna get 'em.)
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To: JohnHuang2
I'd like to hear Gen. McCaffrey explain how and why he developed that prognosis.
12 posted on 04/05/2003 4:01:36 AM PST by randita
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To: randita
I'd like to hear Gen. McCaffrey explain how and why he developed that prognosis.

McCaffrey's estimate was not all that unrealistic at the time he made it, which was before the collapse of the Republican Guard. If the RG pulled back into Baghdad and fought block to block, with civilians in the mix, then we would looking at a very ugly situation. Military operations in urban terrain in past major conflicts have produced casuality rates as high as 30%. Insert thousands of troops into a city of several million, where the populace could be hostile, and it is not that much of a stretch to project casaulties in the 1,000s. It is absolutely great that we have done so well and if a large segment of the population of Baghdad lacks the will or motivation to fight to the end then we will prevail with casaulty numbers that are far below 2,000 to 3,000. That remains to be seen, although things are looking good for us right now.

13 posted on 04/05/2003 5:11:41 AM PST by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: JohnHuang2
McCaffrey...should have known.

What a jerk. Put a cork in it Barry!
14 posted on 04/05/2003 8:23:31 AM PST by judicial meanz (Audaces Fortuna Juvat)
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To: JohnHuang2
It's Agincourt 2003 because sometimes a "quagmire" suits the invaders!
15 posted on 04/05/2003 8:37:49 PM PST by Theophilus (Muslim clerics, preaching jihad, are Weapons Of Mass Destruction!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Lest we forget
16 posted on 04/07/2004 7:16:12 PM PDT by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: woofie
!!!! Oh MY God!!!! No!!!
17 posted on 04/07/2004 7:17:50 PM PDT by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Its the end of the world!!!!!
18 posted on 04/07/2004 7:18:54 PM PDT by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Retired U.S. Army General Barry McCaffrey

If I remember correctly, he predicted all sorts of problems during the rush to Baghdad...I used to turn him off when I saw him on TV.
19 posted on 04/07/2004 7:21:50 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc
Check the date
20 posted on 04/07/2004 7:22:56 PM PDT by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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