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Matt's shot in a million
The Sun ^ | Fri, Apr 4, 2003 | NICK PARKER

Posted on 04/04/2003 10:18:02 PM PST by pragmatic_asian

A ROYAL Marines sniper told yesterday how he felled an Iraqi gunman in a strong wind from more than half a mile with an astonishing shot in a million.

Crackshot Corporal Matt Hughes, 28, was ordered to take out the Iraqi, who was firing at his pals and holding up an attack.

Matt pulled off the incredible feat of marksmanship by perfectly gauging the wind speed to bend the bullet to its target.

And amazingly a second sniper alongside him hit a second Iraqi at the same moment with another wonder shot.

The 7.62 calibre round from Matt’s L96 sniper rifle was aimed 56ft to the left to allow for the wind, and 35ft high to allow for the distance.

Yet it flew straight to the target, hitting the Iraqi in the chest. He probably died instantly.

Matt, of the Marines’ spearhead brigade patrol troop in Al Faw, said yesterday: “It was a bit like David Beckham taking a free kick.

“I knew I only had one shot and had to get the angle exactly right.”

Matt, from Betws-y-Coed, Wales, and pal Corporal Sam Hughes, 31, of Plymouth, Devon, calculated the bullet’s trajectory by studying movement of dust across the desert.

Matt said: “Sam told me I would have to fire exactly 17 metres to the left of the target for the bullet to bend in the wind and take him out.

“I made adjustments to my sight. The Iraqi stayed in the crosshairs of my sight the whole time and didn’t move. I knew I’d hit him full in the chest and got him.”

Another Marine sniper next to Matt felled the second Iraqi.

Taking out the two Iraqis who had been shooting at Marines meant the Brits could advance to help secure the peninsula.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; embeddedreport; iraqifreedom; snipertale
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To: kstewskis
How long have you been using that Tag Line?

Great minds think alike, lol.

81 posted on 04/05/2003 4:26:42 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Redleg Duke
Gosh, I just can't compare to you doc!

Well, I may very well have some advantages over you (grin).

82 posted on 04/05/2003 4:42:17 PM PST by the_doc
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To: Redleg Duke
See also #32. I'm not the only person who is skeptical about the article. Your willingness to believe the journalist's report doesn't change anything.
83 posted on 04/05/2003 4:43:59 PM PST by the_doc
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To: KneelBeforeZod
The L96 A1 rifle. It weighs 6.5 kilograms or 14.33 pounds. That is one heavy rifle, but accurate and deadly to those who know how to use one.


84 posted on 04/05/2003 8:16:03 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: Spottys Spurs
You are exactly correct. Reporters don't know rifles from shotguns or pistols from revlolvers.
85 posted on 04/05/2003 8:45:27 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: pacman50
You will like this one!
86 posted on 04/05/2003 8:46:36 PM PST by cmsgop ( Arby's says no more Horsey Sauce for Scott Ritter !!!!)
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To: wardaddy; SLB
Blame the reporter for sloppy reporting.

Don't blame Sniper Matt for sloppy shooting, ever.

He might get offended.

87 posted on 04/05/2003 8:46:56 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SC Swamp Fox
LOL! I love it!

actually been using it for 3-4 months on/off now, but I switch with another "Mel Gibson" tagline that you might see me use: "political correctness is intellectual terrorism."

Either way, "aim small, miss small" makes a lot of good sense, eh? ;)

88 posted on 04/05/2003 9:22:24 PM PST by kstewskis ("coffee is our friend..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: Travis McGee
I see pithy is in top form...lol

Nah...it's a crack shot regardless...and now, I damn sure would not want him shooting at me.

I'm sure you've seen the firefight reels on FOX tonite.

Lesson learned: Never engage USA armored infantry armed with with .50s if you plan on charging in a Toyota mini-pickup with small arms. Crazy. Man, those .50s lit those terrs up like swiss cheese.
89 posted on 04/05/2003 10:08:18 PM PST by wardaddy (G-d speed our fighters!)
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To: pragmatic_asian
I retract my previous statement in another thread concerning Carlos Hathcock. RE : http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886119/posts

Gunny Hathcock would've been amazed!

The 'most' amazing thing about this feat of riflecraft is that TWO snipers pulled of the same shot simultaneously. That speaks volumes to the training Royal Marine snipers receives. It's been said before, and it will be said again, the most dangerous man on the battle field is the combat sniper.
90 posted on 04/05/2003 10:13:55 PM PST by Rasputin_TheMadMonk (Yes I am a bastard, but I'm a free, white, gun owning bastard. Just ask my exwife.)
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To: Ajnin; Windcatcher; Lurker; Redleg Duke; CCWoody; Jerry_M; RnMomof7
FYI, I was a competitive shooter in NRA high school competition, and at 100 yards, the critical tolerances are about the width of the thickness of a sheet of paper.

Granted, I have never shot anything beyond 100 yards. On the other hand, I know of guys who kill elk at 500 yards with 30-30s. And I am aware that they do make wind-based sighting adjustments at that range. But these are relatively small adjustments--involving inches rather than feet. (If crosswind effects are as wild as the article suggests, then I would think a hunter would not even risk a shot at 500 yards.)

This is why I especially appreciated your post citing your own Marine Corps experience firing at 500 meters in heavy crosswinds. Your testimony essentially confirms the experience of hunters who kill game at 500 yards. You need to make some windage corrections--but nothing approaching 30 or 40 or 50 feet.

Anyway, a few minutes ago, I just sat down and worked through the engineering calculations for the trajectory of the bullet covering 2600 feet (i.e., roughly half a mile, as the article says). I see no way for even a 100-mph crosswind to cause as much deflection of the bullet as the article suggests.

The problem is, the wind would have to have a lateral acceleration effect on the bullet of 112 feet per second per second (i.e., 56 fps in the first half of the bullet's travel time) to produce the deflection suggested in the article. This would be almost four times the effect caused by gravity (32 feet per second per second).

Why is this a problem for the scenario which the article suggests? It's because the terminal velocity of a bullet is very much greater than 100 mph. (The terminal velocity of a human body is about 100 mph, but a bullet is much more dense and much more smooth!) In other words, a 100-mph cross wind would impart a lateral acceleration of far less than 32 feet/sec/sec--and certainly nothing approaching 112 feet/sec/sec!

That means the scenario reported in the article is wrong. The worst case crosswind can't produce the acceleration which the gullible journalist is unwittingly suggesting.

As a matter of fact, I would guess that a very stiff crosswind would yield a lateral acceleration of less than 8 feet/sec/sec and probably even less than 3 feet/sec/sec. So, the sighting compensation for worst-case windage effects would be less than four feet and probably even less than 18 inches.

(Notice that the latter estimate of an 18-inch sighting correction agrees very closely with your Marine Corps experience at 500 meters with heavy crosswinds. If the required correction at 500 meters is, say, 12 inches, then we shouldn't be surprised to have to make a correction of a foot or two at 800 meters--maybe even 56 inches. But not 56 feet.)

So, I tend to agree with Jerry_M. I think the shooter was spinning a yarn for the reporter. (Either that, or he just got feet and inches mixed up! [Hey, this kind of stuff happens all the time with journalists!])

91 posted on 04/05/2003 11:06:06 PM PST by the_doc
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To: lawdude; RightWhale
I meant to include you folks as addressees on the referenced post.
92 posted on 04/05/2003 11:10:03 PM PST by the_doc
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To: wardaddy
If the fanatics, jihadists, fedeyeens and other dead enders want to remove themselves from the post war equation, that is all to the good.
93 posted on 04/05/2003 11:53:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: the_doc
Point taken. As a friendly suggestion, since you haven't much experience with over 100 yards, you might want to think before you verbally "shoot from the hip".

Some of us are kind of proud of our service, even if we didn't shoot in the NRA in high school.

94 posted on 04/06/2003 4:05:30 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: the_doc
I mentioned the 800 yards as a pistol shot. An ordinary 45 will have to be aimed 40 feet high and wide at that distance. That's a guess, since I haven't any experience at pistol shooting over 400 yards, where I have to hold the sights 25 feet high. There is also a considerable delay between when the pistol shot is released and when it arrives, perhaps time for a sip of coffee or a drag on a cigarette. It was always a gas when the target rifle team showed up at the pistol class. They laughed at the huge targets, and we shot 50 feet. Ha. Different animal.
95 posted on 04/06/2003 1:19:32 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: pragmatic_asian
The Brits owe Rummy an apology for their football performance yesterday in a 9-3 loss to the Iraqi Gulag Home Arrest team.

96 posted on 04/06/2003 1:25:38 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: SauronOfMordor; Ajnin; Squantos; 30-06 Springfield; the_doc; Fred Mertz; Windcatcher; ...
Keep in mind that the Brit Army has gone metric. How much you want to bet that what the sniper said was "I aimed 35 high and 56 left", the reporter dubbed in "feet" and the sniper meant "centimeters" ?

Something not right with this story, I gather Sauron is on to something when he alludes to it being the reporting.

Drop on a 7.62 is 6-8 feet (at most) at 800 yds. Also, if you're aiming 56 feet the the left - or right or high - while placing any shot, something is wrong. With the kinds of variables present to cause one to make a 56 foot adjustment (in any direction), science and physics dictate an almost certain miss. If missing is an option that's fine I suppose.

All that being said with the proper equipment, a 800 meter torso shot is not as difficult as one might think. I don't doubt that the Brits dropped these guys, the reporting seems screwy though.

97 posted on 04/07/2003 10:29:18 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
The reporting "is" screwy......eliptical mil-dots are graded in full, half and quarters by some "good" shooters. Was he was making adjustments based on just the mildots or was he dialing it in with 1/8....1/4.....1/2 click's......stuff we don't , won't and really don't care to know from our position in front of the puter. I'm just glad that we have some shooters on our side that can get it done.

As to the reporting .....it never is right from a presstitute...............Stay Safe AAA !

98 posted on 04/07/2003 10:49:44 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: AAABEST
if you're aiming 56 feet the the left - or right or high - while placing any shot, something is wrong.

Only that he's making the shot in 100MPH winds, which fits the description of "gale" given in another article.

It wasn't the distance that made the shot difficult, it was making it in such high winds.

99 posted on 04/07/2003 1:46:56 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: the_doc
I see no way for even a 100-mph crosswind to cause as much deflection of the bullet as the article suggests.

Actually, 100MPH is just right (per the long-range rifle class I took at Storm Mountain, working up to 900yds).

100 posted on 04/07/2003 1:55:08 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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