Pat Robertson stirs up debate (Islam is not a peaceful religion)

nj.com ^ | April 02, 2003 | KRYSTAL KNAPP

[TLBSHOW]

PRINCETON BOROUGH - The Rev. Pat Robertson spoke from the lectern at Princeton University last night like it was his pulpit, calling students to stand up for their moral convictions and not be swayed by popular culture.

His hair is all gray now, he had surgery in February and is recovering from prostate cancer, but the evangelist showed no signs of wavering last night when he spoke at the invitation of a student group.

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is bent largely on our destruction, we need to have a bit of common sense

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for a good barf alert here

U.S. Muslims Struggle Over Islam's Image
"We have nothing to be ashamed of," he thundered. "All our religion has to offer America is good -- our ethics, our values, our beliefs."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-islams-image,0,4839782.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

[Jhoffa_]

Yeah, I am starting to think someone is using these issues as an "attention getter"

If you know what I mean.

I really should avoid them entirely.

[TLBSHOW]

Maybe you should read what was said in that post before you post spew! As I did not call Howlin anything. Tony Blair yes, Howlin no!

[FreeReign]

Your post #232 -- Jimmy, You feel inclined to fall on your sword for Islam's right to be here ala the First Amendment even though at least 2/3rds of them worldwide express support for Bin Laden...be my guest. I'm not buying.

Your post #237 -- Particularly when that religion proscribes that it is their duty to engage us. We have to be able to determine who is hostile and who isn't and I'm not for them hiding behind religious freedoms. I will not "trash" my country for the sake af a rather broad interpretation of freedom of religion. When that religious expression is bent largely on our destruction, we need to have a bit of common sense.

So then according to your post #232, 1/3 of all Muslims don't support the OBL jihad as part of their religion.

Are you then saying in post #237 that these 1/3 don't have the right to practice their religion in the U.S.?

[The Lake City Gar]

Pat Robertson may be the neighbor you hate but if he wakes you up and tells you your house is on fire, do you ignore his warning because you don't like the guy?

One big problem...

My house is on fire ONLY in Pat's warped mind. Warped by a few fairy tales found within a fine novel. But the problem is, Pat and his followers are going to take a lot of innocent people down with them due to their pushing for THEIR armageddon.

Screw them...I resent them for putting MY life in increased danger due to THEIR beliefs.

[Scenic Sounds]

Not to those who are trying to stir up the "haters" and make this site look like the haven for intolerant whack-jobs the left-wingers say it is...but thanks!

Haters?

I don’t worry about the haters. They’re usually more suicidal than homicidal.

[FreeReign]

...is bent largely on our destruction, we need to have a bit of common sense

Largely -- yes, totally -- no.

Several days ago, a 32-year-old Iraqi Shiite Muslim lawyer named Mohammed decided to risk his own life to save PFC Lynch's Chrisitain life. He is quoted as saying, "My heart is cut"..."I decided to go to the Americans and tell them about this story."..."A person is a human being regardless of nationality. Believe me, I love Americans."

The generally violent Islamic religion and its 800 million followers are not going to go away. Instead over a long period of time as its followers become more intertwined in the the real world, Islam will reform. More and more Muslims will become like the Mohammed as described above.

Peaceful reform-minded Muslims should be acknowledged. Violent Muslims should be removed. Thus the presidential strategy of acknowledging the peaceful Muslims and eliminating the violent Muslims.

A bit o'common sense for you....

[TLBSHOW]

Here is commonsense for you........Islam is the problem!

If the 9/11 terrorists had been Christians, the shoelace strangler a Christian, the gun-toting Swedish Muslim a Christian, the Los Angeles airport killer a Christian and scores of suicide bombers Christians, I assure you we would not be pussyfooting around whether maybe there was something wrong with Christianity.

In a fascinating book written by two Arab Muslims who converted to Christianity, Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner give an eye-opening account of Islam's prophet in "Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs."

Citing passages from the Hadith, the collected sayings of Muhammad, the Caners note that, by his own account, the founder of Islam was often possessed by Satan. The phrase "Satanic Verses" refers to words that Muhammad first claimed had come from God, but which he later concluded were spoken by Satan.

Muhammad married 11 women, kept two others as concubines and recommended wife-beating (but only as a last resort!). His third wife was 6 years old when he married her and 9 when he consummated the marriage.

To say that Muhammad was a demon-possessed pedophile is not an attack. It's a fact. (And for the record, Timothy McVeigh is not the founder of Christianity. He wasn't even a Christian. He was an atheist who happened to be a gentile.)

Muslims argue against the Caners' book the way liberals argue against all incontrovertible facts. They deny the meaning of words, posit irrelevant counterpoints, and attack the Caners' motives.

Ibrahim Hooper, with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, says that by "6 years old" the Hadith really means "16 years old" and "9" means "19" -- numbers as similar in Arabic as they are in English. Hooper also makes the compelling argument that the Caner brothers -- who say they wrote their book out of love for Muslims whom they want to see in heaven -- are full of "hate."

Other Islamic scholars concede the facts but argue that Muhammad's marriage to a 6-year-old girl was an anomaly. Oh, OK, never mind. Still others explain that Muhammad's marriage to a 6-year-old girl was of great benefit to her education and served to reinforce political allegiances.

So was she really 16, or was it terrific that he had sex with a 9-year-old to improve her education? This is like listening to some Muslims' earlier argument-in-the-alternative that the Zionists attacked the World Trade Center, but America brought the attack on itself anyway.

Muhammad makes L. Ron Hubbard look like Jesus Christ. Most people think nothing of assuming every Scientologist is a crackpot. Why should Islam be subject to presumption of respect because it's a religion? Liberals bar the most benign expressions of religion by little America. Only a religion that is highly correlated with fascistic attacks on the U.S. demands their respect and protection.

http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2002/090402.htm

[FreeReign]

Peaceful reform-minded Muslims should be acknowledged. Violent Muslims should be removed. Thus the presidential strategy of acknowledging the peaceful Muslims and eliminating the violent Muslims. A bit o'common sense for you....

Here is commonsense for you........Islam is the problem!

From my above post, what is it about the word "reform", that you don't understand?

Webster's -- reform (ri form) 1. the improvement or ammendment of what is wrong...

[Jorge]

What he said is no worse than a Muslim saying that their religion is the only true faith, or a Jew saying that Judaism is the only true faith. A faith statement is a personal choice, and in America, it should not be seen as threatening speech.

I was refering to his statement that no Muslim should be allowed to hold public office.

That violates the right to freedom of religion in America.

[Howlin]

Pat and his followers are going to take a lot of innocent people down with them due to their pushing for THEIR armageddon.

Actually, people who continue to mouth this mantra over and over are so filled with hate that nothing you or anybody can say to them will change their minds.

I have never understood why Pat speaks for ANYBODY, other than his own church members. He sure doesn't speak for me or anybody I know; I wouldn't even want to belong to a religion that refuses to deal in reality.

And some of his "followers" are no less culpable of smearing ALL Muslims by the acts of a few than the fanatical Muslims are of judging all Americans by what they perceive as injustices done to them.

In short, "our" fanatics are no better than "their" fanatics. In fact, some of "our" fanatics sound strangely like theirs with all their spurious hatred. I always think that "our" fanatics could be brainwashed just as easily as they accuse the Muslims of being.

[Howlin]

What does it mean when somebody always say that the words they wrote were misunderstood -- all the time?

How does that factor into your theory about cultist?

[Michael2001]

It's unjust.. You shouldn't do it to a peaceful: Christian, Jew or Muslim.

Or a peaceful Christian Identity member. (Christian Identity is the religion of the KKK)

[wardaddy]

I don't care what you remember. You and the other FR police don't scare me with your broad brush diatribes.

You want to provide sanctuary to our enemies so they can facilitate our destruction and let them hide behind freedom of religion then you aren't much better than they are.

Save your "Wardaddy is an enemy of the Constitution" wolf tickets for a chump...chump.

BTW....who died and made you James Madison?

[wardaddy]

Thanks TLB....I see we have the usual crowd of self appointed guardians of the Constitution here to save us from ourselves.

LOL

[wardaddy]

What is it with you death wish types?

We have to be able to determine who is hostile and who isn't and I'm not for them hiding behind religious freedoms.

My answer above...what part do you not "get"?

[TLBSHOW]

From my above post, what is it about the word "reform", that you don't understand?

LOL

I understood it loud and clear now from my post of Ann's what part of Satan is Islam that you do you not understand? All of Islam is evil and there is no reforming the devil cult. The only thing to do is convert Muslims to the true God of the Bible and through Jesus they will be saved. There is no reform just conversion.


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Citing passages from the Hadith, the collected sayings of Muhammad, the Caners note that, by his own account, the founder of Islam was often possessed by Satan. The phrase "Satanic Verses" refers to words that Muhammad first claimed had come from God, but which he later concluded were spoken by Satan.

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[wardaddy]

Actually Mike, that is slightly incorrect. CI's mantra concerns "JOOS". The "MUD RACES" are inconsequential fodder.

The Klan...wherever they are....have always had their major obsession with blacks. They have historically mainly beefed with Jews when Jews have assisted blacks as in the civil rights era.

That is not to say they like Jews or Catholics for that matter.