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UN officials rebuke British commanders for urging local residents to loot
The Times ^ | 04.05.03 | Daniel McGrory

Posted on 04/04/2003 4:27:31 PM PST by yankeedame

April 05, 2003

UN and Army at odds as troops encourage looting

From Daniel McGrory in southern Iraq

UNITED NATIONS officials have rebuked British commanders for urging local residents to loot buildings belonging to the Iraqi Army and the ruling Baath Party. The British view is that the sight of local youths dismantling the offices and barracks of a regime they used to fear shows they have confidence that Saddam Hussain’s henchmen will not be returning to these towns in southern Iraq.

One senior British officer said: “We believe this sends a powerful message that the old guard is truly finished.”

Armoured units from the Desert Rats stood by and watched earlier this week as scores of excited Iraqis picked clean every floor and every room of the Baath Party headquarters building in Basra after it had been raided by British troops.

Villas owned by the elite, army compounds, air bases and naval ports and even some of the regime’s former torture chambers and jails have been ransacked in the past week.

But UN officials said last night that such behaviour was against the Geneva Convention and bred a dangerous mood of anarchy. Homes and vehicles in towns such as Umm Qasr and Safwan, which have nothing to do with Saddam’s regime, have been robbed and vandalised in recent days; a UN official attributed that to the permitted level of lawlessness. One said: “The British and American armies have a duty to protect local law and order. It is not right that they promote the idea that it is permissible to steal or destroy anything owned by the Iraqi Government, their army and their party leaders.

“The worry is that it doesn’t stop here with government property alone and we are already seeing that. At the moment it appears to us that it is in danger of getting out of control and should be stopped.”

An additional risk for the coalition in permitting such behaviour is that vital intelligence is being pilfered or destroyed. By the time British units have reached some buildings they find that every file and piece of paper has been strewn across the floor or used to start bonfires.

That happened at the desert barracks used by Ali Hassan al-Majid, Saddam’s cousin known as “Chemical Ali” and who was suspected of being pivotal in Iraq’s chemical weapons industry.

Since the start of this war the allies have been desperate to find documentary evidence that Iraq has manufactured and stockpiled a chemical and biological armoury but so far they have been frustrated in their efforts to track down incriminating paperwork.

The ransacking is also destroying documentary proof of how Iraq has managed to flout UN sanctions for the past 12 years. Retreating Iraqis, Republican Guards and party officials would not have had time to destroy their filing cabinets. Their documents, which are worthless to locals, are systemically destroyed every time they enter a building as an act of revenge. Some of the equipment looted from army and government centres also shows how successfully Iraq was able to import what it needed from the West.

At the dockside in Umm Qasr a group of British soldiers watched astonished as four children manhandling a brand-new diesel ship’s engine from Switzerland on to a wooden barrow. The machine could have been of no use to them but they took away the packing case with the serial number and import documents still taped inside. Tons of other material bought from half a dozen European countries, also still in their wrappings, disappeared within minutes from the dockside office.

Some of those organising the looting gangs have been clearly seen carrying automatic weapons but they have been left unchallenged by passing Australian and British patrols.

On the outskirts of the town of Imam Anas, moments after British troops had finished searching a naval establishment a gang of 40 villagers moved in. Shortly afterwards women were seen leaving the compound carrying metal bed-frames on their heads. Their children scurried behind them, their arms full of anything they could carry. By mid-morning everything that was not nailed down had gone.

It was at that point that the men of the village moved in with crowbars, hammers and chisels and began dismantling the sleeping quarters, taking away corrugated roofing, wooden supports and doors.

British forces do not have the manpower to police every town and village in the Southern Province they control but there is no doubt that in the past week the incidents of looting have increased massively.

Ali Hassan al-Douri, a local teacher in Umm Qasr, watched 20 young men move through a business office like a plague of locusts and said: “At first it was just getting our own back on the regime but I fear if we are not careful this will get out of hand.”


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: desertrats; embeddedreport; iraqicivilians; iraqifreedom
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1 posted on 04/04/2003 4:27:31 PM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
Saddammnn and his buds stole billions from these people, pay backs a bitch, let`emtake what they want
2 posted on 04/04/2003 4:33:27 PM PST by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: yankeedame
I agree with this. If someone stole something from you, should you attempt to take it back? No, it belongs to them -- they stole it fair and square. Apparently the UK and the US would challenge this way of living.
3 posted on 04/04/2003 4:51:32 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: yankeedame
Good example of why we do not want the UN in Iraq in any capacity.
4 posted on 04/04/2003 4:58:24 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: yankeedame
Isn't it nice to see the UN weenies still defending their budds!
5 posted on 04/04/2003 5:00:35 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: yankeedame
I say, as long as the place is still un safe for civilian law enforcement, let them loot.

In WW2, the French and British shot locals who were taking things that the German Army had left behind. I don't think the British want to be associatted with that sort of terrorising of the victims again.

The UN can just go supervise a dust storm in the Syrian desert, if they want a part of Iraq.
6 posted on 04/04/2003 5:02:08 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: yankeedame
I actually agree with the UN on this, once your permit looting, it won't just stop at the Baath party headquarters, pretty soon every it becomes accepted behavior.

I think they should have simply held an organized process whereby the content of the headquarters is distributed to the people of the town in an orderly fashion. Respect for the rule of law is central to any attempt at creating a representive government, and encourage chaos does not help.
7 posted on 04/04/2003 5:05:38 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher
And they are supposed to do that... how? Did you see the near-riot they had just giving out the supplies that got to Umm Qasr?
8 posted on 04/04/2003 5:13:19 PM PST by wcentrella
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To: wcentrella
That was a fight to food and water, people are frantic for for survival items, not this stuff.
9 posted on 04/04/2003 5:23:50 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher; Pete-R-Bilt
If you and your entire family had been living in total fear of a particular group for the past thity years would you not want to demolish every last bit of their existence once they were defeated?

Of course you would. Yes, murders(illegal executions) will commence immediately upon the people who executed, threatened, robbed, raped, beat, and jailed these people illegally.

You are comparing our sorry justice system with what you and I refer to as looting by the freed. Sorry, in Iraq there hasn't been any comparison for three decades and they people are now getting what revenge they can before a half decent justice system arises.

10 posted on 04/04/2003 5:59:42 PM PST by B4Ranch (Keep America safe! Thank the troops for our freedom. No slack for Iraq!)
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To: Truthsearcher
Central Park Jogger Goes "Public

Please read this before replying to my previous post.

11 posted on 04/04/2003 6:01:53 PM PST by B4Ranch (Keep America safe! Thank the troops for our freedom. No slack for Iraq!)
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To: Thud
Now we know which side the U.N. was really on.
12 posted on 04/04/2003 6:04:39 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: yankeedame
Koffi Annan just wants to get his greasy paws on some of the good stuff before it's dispersed to the common man. Just a bunch of frickin' thugs at the UN.
13 posted on 04/04/2003 6:05:10 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: B4Ranch; glock rocks
people are now getting what revenge they can before a half decent justice system arises.

now i know,

you are an optimist...

14 posted on 04/04/2003 6:05:45 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (If the legislators you vote for don't support our Troops, YOU don't support our Troops!)
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To: yankeedame
"UNITED NATIONS officials have rebuked British commanders for urging local residents to loot buildings belonging to the Iraqi Army and the ruling Baath Party."

UNITED NATIONS officials have rebuked British commanders for urging local residents to loot buildings belonging to the Iraqi Army and the ruling Baath Party turning over the rich food supplies to the hungry people.

Why the h*ll should the Brits, or we, give a happy d*mn what the Blixie boys at the UN say? They had their chance. They blew it. Time for them to sit down, shut up and stay out of the way.

15 posted on 04/04/2003 6:06:57 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Dimensio
The ole finders keepers loosers weepers rules of engagement.

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16 posted on 04/04/2003 6:08:11 PM PST by AgentEcho (If you're in a fair fight you've done something wrong.)
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To: jimtorr
I gotta go with the story as told by the people who were there on this one. I would have done the same thing...because it was the right thing to do.

'These are the men who return to frighten us when you go'

17 posted on 04/04/2003 6:10:36 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: yankeedame
They are just reclaiming what is theirs, it was all stolen by Saddam and the current regime.
18 posted on 04/04/2003 6:12:41 PM PST by rundy
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To: yankeedame
The U who?
Rebuking British soldiers?
I was under the impression the UN is not a party to this action.If they have a problem, shouldnt they draft up and vote on the resolution, prior to rebuking?
Am I the only one who thinks the UN should get "dixie chicked" for this outragious and innapropriate comment?LOL!
19 posted on 04/04/2003 6:14:44 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: yankeedame
Why doesn't someone tell the UN to go suck? When I start listening to a bunch of tin-horn dictatorships and pussy French, that will be the day.
20 posted on 04/04/2003 6:16:00 PM PST by jackbill (i)
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