Negotiators approve flag compromise (GA State Flag)

Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 04/04/03 | Jim Galloway

[WhiskeyPapa]

Negotiators approve flag compromise

By JIM GALLOWAY

Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

Proposed new Georgia state flag.

Georgia's state flag would be changed immediately, with a public vote to follow, under a plan endorsed by a key House committee today.

The new flag would resemble the first national flag of the Confederacy -- three red and white bars, with a blue field in the top left corner. The state seal would be in the blue corner, and the words "In God We Trust" would be written to the right.

The bill adopted by the House Rules Committee calls for the Legislature to change the flag to the new design immediately. Then, in March 2004, a public referendum would be held to let voters decide whether they want to keep that flag.

Only if the new flag is rejected by voters would a second referendum be held, this time in July 2004, asking voters if they want to return to the Georgia flag dominated by the Confederate battle emblem, or the flag that flew before 1956. The current flag would not be on the ballot.

The Rules Committee proposal now heads to the full House for a vote next week, although the bill may be amended there and still requires Senate approval.

Gov. Sonny Perdue, who had proposed a statewide referendum on changing Georgia's flag, is endorsing the proposal.

"We believe this represents a compromise," said Rep. Glenn Richardson (R-Dallas), the governor's floor leader who sponsored Perdue's flag bill. "This will bring this to a conclusion."

The Legislature, led by former Democratic Gov. Roy Barnes, voted in 2001 to shrink the Confederate battle emblem on the state flag, which was added in 1956 as Georgia schools were being ordered to desegregate.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Search in Google.

Walt

[4CJ]

Did you notice that when you mouse your cursor over a poster's name, his registration number no longer appears?

I user Opera - and hovering the mouse over the poster's name show's their signup date preceded by "Since".

[4CJ]

But none of these neo-reb cretins will condemn Davis the way they do Lincoln. They are racists.

No, we salute the blacks - slave and free - that served their country - the Confederate States of America. It is you that denigrate their service. Who is the racist?

Regarding the "cretin" allegation, by which you mean we are idiots, is derived from the Latin "Chrstinus" - meaning Christian. Are a member of Mensa? I am.

[Aurelius]

"Search in Google."

I told you, I couldn't find it there. If your source is authentic you should be able to provide the URL.

[Aurelius]

"When did Lincoln wear women's clothing?"

"As the inauguration approached, Lincoln entered Washington at midnight and in disguise, prompting charges of cowardice from his critics."

ABRAHAM LINCOLN

I cannot find a source on the internet that states explicitely that he was disguised as a woman. I have read that a number of places. When I have nothing better to do I will look for a source and get back to you.

I am still waiting for you to provide a source lending authentication to your alleged Davis quote of 1856.

[WhiskeyPapa]

"When did Lincoln wear women's clothing?"

"As the inauguration approached, Lincoln entered Washington at midnight and in disguise, prompting charges of cowardice from his critics."

There was a political cartoon of Lincoln in a kilt and tam o'shanter hat. That was fabricated, just as your statement was fabricated. Lincoln wore a long overcoat and some sort of hat, I forget which.

Now, Pinkerton's men had definite information that a plot to kidnap or kill Lincoln was afoot in Baltimore. They asked that Lincoln leave that very night from Philadelphia, I believe. Lincoln refused as he had promised to give a speech the next day, which he did. He did agree to leave the next day earlier than announced and without fanfare.

Are you going to now suggest that Lincoln had no cause to fear assassination?

As to the Davis quote, search on Google.com.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

First, this is ostensibly quoted from a book written 30 years after the alleged speech.

Books are typically written after the events they describe.

Second, there is no historical evidence that I know of that suggests that Jefferson Davis showed any enthusiasm for secession as early as 1856.

It's not hard to find. Like his successor Floyd, Davis had muskets and other arms moved from northern armories to southern. I read recently that his postings of army officers as SecWar also was done with thought towards a separation.

Do you think he rolled out of bed one day, grabbed his socks and said, "you know, today would be a good day to overthrow the lawful government."

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

No, we salute the blacks - slave and free - that served their country - the Confederate States of America.

You can't show that a single one did that. You can show that they showed loyalty to individuals, but not the so-called CSA. Heck fire, half the governners of the so-called seceded states wouldn't maintain their loyalty to the rebel government.

In the end, not ONE person maintained their loyalty did they? Well, maybe old Ruffin. He blew his brains out.

It is you that denigrate their service.

If I did honor to their service, I'd be about in the same boat as someone who admired Babe the Blue Ox's loyalty to Paul Bunyon.

It's fiction.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Searched Groups for davis mudsills Reverend John. Results 1 - 1 of 1. Search took 0.11 seconds. Sorted by relevance Sort by date Speech by Jefferson Davis at Holly Springs, 1856 ... first published in 1888) by Reverend John Aughey: "In ... Jefferson Davis, in Holly Springs, Mississippi, in which ... cultured Southron, and northern mudsills is the ... alt.war.civil.usa - Feb 13, 2003 by Will Keene - View Thread (103 articles)

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=davis+mudsills+Reverend+John+&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

[Non-Sequitur]

In his book "An Honorable Defeat: The Last Days of the Confederate Government" William C. Davis gives an account of Davis's capture. When their camp was found by the 4th Michigan Cavalry, Davis was urged by his wife to try and escape. He made the attempt wearing his wife's raglan cloak and a shawl around his head. When a soldier asked Mrs. Davis who the person walking away was, she answered that it was her mother. Alas, Davis was still wearing his cavalry boots and spurs. "What's your mother doing wearing boots," asked the Union soldier and called for Davis to halt and surrender. So the story about him trying to escape disguised as a woman is quite true, even if it was a rather inept attempt at disguise.

[mac_truck]

Do you think there is something wrong with desiring to get rich?

Off the sweat of bound labor, yes I do. Are you being intellectually dishonest, or do you actually believe in slavery as a viable economic model?

You truly are showing signs of leftism.

Because I don't agree with you that the slave labor economy of the old south is a good example of capitalism? What a laugh.

I quote Adam Smith and you call me a leftist. You Lew Crockwell zombies really need to get some new material.

[mac_truck]

[Aurelius]

"So the story about him trying to escape disguised as a woman is quite true, even if it was a rather inept attempt at disguise."

Based on that evidence it certainly must be true beyond any doubt.

[Aurelius]

" That was fabricated, just as your statement was fabricated."

My statement was not fabricated, you lying son-of-bitch. I repeated something that I read, and characterized it as such. It is as likely to be true as your version.

[Non-Sequitur]

Davis footnotes his book quite extensively and his account of the Davis capture is based on the accounts of people who where there. So I would say that you are correct in accepting the account as true based on the evidence. But I beg your pardon. You are no doubt busy hunting up that evidence of Lincoln dressing as a woman than you spoke of. And here I am interrupting you.

[Aurelius]

" So I would say that you are correct in accepting the account as true based on the evidence."

I thought a sarcasm alert was unnecessary; I guess I was wrong.

[Non-Sequitur]

So did I.

[WhiskeyPapa]

My statement was not fabricated, you lying son-of-bitch.

This is what you said:

It was Lincoln, not Davis, who out of cowardice disguised himself as a woman.

Your statement was fabricated. You lied and you got caught.

Walt

[GOPcapitalist]

Off the sweat of bound labor, yes I do.

What about those who contribute their own sweat?

or do you actually believe in slavery as a viable economic model?

Considering that all economic indicators say that it is not, why would you even suggest anything of the sort?

Because I don't agree with you that the slave labor economy

Labor is an attribute of an economy, not the economy itself. Therefore your reduction is false.

I quote Adam Smith and you call me a leftist.<P. ...yeah, cause you were and are espousing the thoroughly marxian concept of labor reductionism. Stop spouting that nonsense, and I won't question your political leanings.

[GOPcapitalist]

Oh, a political cartoon! Well that settles it then!